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Old 02-21-2003, 02:21 PM   #16
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Bush is a born-again religious fanatic, and, once again, proves why our Founding Fathers had the foresight to value secularism.

If you cannot separate your religious beliefs from your professional career, then you have a problem.

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I agree.
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Bush is a born-again religious fanatic, and, once again, proves why our Founding Fathers had the foresight to value secularism.

If you cannot separate your religious beliefs from your professional career, then you have a problem.

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Melon,

My faith is the cornerstone of my life. It's the reason I work with Jubilee. It's the reason I teach-- to have a career that is of service to others. It's behind, around and underneath every decision I make. Faith/religion isn't the problem. Pride, judgement and ignorance (in this case, Bush's of the reality of Africa's struggles), and probably politics too in this case, are.

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I'd only echo SD's statement by saying I believe my faith makes me better at what I do professionally.
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As I suspected, there was something in the Republican PLatform 2000. He is obligated I would think to live by the platform of his party.


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International organizations can serve the cause of peace, but they can never serve as a substitute for, or exercise a veto over, principled American leadership. The United Nations was not designed to summon or lead armies in the field and, as a matter of U.S. sovereignty, American troops must never serve under United Nations command. Nor will they be subject to the jurisdiction of an International Criminal Court. The United Nations can provide a valuable forum for nations to peacefully resolve their differences, and it can help monitor international agreements and organize international humanitarian assistance. The United States will pay a fair, not disproportionate, share of dues to the United Nations once it has reformed its management and taken steps to eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse. All funds that the U.S. contributes for operations, conferences, and peacekeeping should count against these dues.

The next Republican administration will use its diplomatic influence to put an end to a pattern of discrimination that persists at the United Nations in denying committee assignments to Israel. It will do the likewise at the International Red Cross which refuses to accredit the symbol of Magen David Adom, Israel's equivalent of the Red Cross. Moreover, Republicans oppose the ideological campaign against participation by the Vatican in U.N. conferences and other activities. The United Nations was created to benefit all peoples and nations, not to promote a radical agenda of social engineering. Any effort to address global social problems must be firmly placed into a context of respect for the fundamental social institutions of marriage and family. We reject any treaty or convention that would contradict these values. For that reason, we will protect the rights of families in international programs and will not fund organizations involved in abortion. This approach to foreign assistance will unify people, respect their diverse beliefs, and uphold basic human rights. It will enable us, in cooperation with other free societies around the world, to more effectively oppose religious persecution and the sex trafficking that ruins the lives of women and children.
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Melon,

My faith is the cornerstone of my life. It's the reason I work with Jubilee. It's the reason I teach-- to have a career that is of service to others. It's behind, around and underneath every decision I make. Faith/religion isn't the problem. Pride, judgement and ignorance (in this case, Bush's of the reality of Africa's struggles), and probably politics too in this case, are.

Thanks for listening.

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Very well put, Sherry. As a practicing Catholic I can relate to this. Religion per se is not the problem here. It's as you say, bad judgment, ignorance of the severity of the crisis in Africa and probably politics. We can't afford to screw up like this.
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This is disappointing, to say the least. And a very good excuse to do nothing at all.
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Re Pres. Bush, Bono said the opposite of you HipHop.

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Would that have been on the call you placed about his involvement in the peace rally?



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Would that have been on the call you placed about his involvement in the peace rally?



Another issue, did Bono REALLY march in a Peace Rally or is this mere speculation and fantasy by some mis-guided, dreamy youth here?

I challenge you to-

At the very least please post a link or pic showing this,
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Another issue, did Bono REALLY march in a Peace Rally or is this mere speculation and fantasy by some mis-guided, dreamy youth here?

I challenge you to-

I second this motion. I want more than a picture though. For all we know, the marchers went by his house, and he came out to say hello to someone. Written proof with QUOTES will be fine!

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I second this motion. I want more than a picture though. For all we know, the marchers went by his house, and he came out to say hello to someone. Written proof with QUOTES will be fine!

PEACE
I am reading the Irish Voice right now...there are 4 separate stories about the Dublin peace march. There was not a single word about Bono being in atttendance.

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The Irish Voice picks up every tidbit there is on Bono and I'm pretty sure that if he was there, it would have been reported.

The only mention of him in this issue is about the Nobel Prize nom.
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RE:Irish Voice..not exactly totally up to date, their last post was 2 days ago, and their Bono Nobel announcement was I think 2 days later than most other outlets. Also, they don't have half the Bono news that other outlets do. In fact very little about Bono.

I have it on good faith that he quite possibly was there, from someone who should know. I don't have pictures and I don't have quotes. Either you believe me or you don't, but those who know me know I don't intentionally lie about anything.

"dreamy mis-guided youth"...you crack me up Diamond..

BTW...isn't this thread about AIDS???

Or did you not have a comment on the Bush administration's despicable proposal Diamond?
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The United States will pay a fair, not disproportionate, share of dues to the United Nations once it has reformed its management and taken steps to eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse.
Now this nearly sounds as bad as the IMF/ World Bank with their "good governance before debt-reduction and aid" policies.

Regarding that Kofi Annan pushed through UN reforms (also between 2000 and 2003) but the US still owes lots of money to the UN. Have they paid their 2002 budget already?
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