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Old 10-14-2002, 09:01 AM   #76
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and those that say we cant tell someone what to do, ok, fine, but this isnt some ho hum issue.

This is what bothers me the most about this topic. It's filed under "women's rights." I definitely consider myself a feminist. I'd do anything I could and would love to one day have a job where I can help make this world a better place for women, and for the men who don't deserve to be the brunt of hatred for other men's crimes.

That said, the reason I don't like that this is filed under "women's rights" is because as a woman I feel we have a higher responsibility when we have a child, and we have to sacrifice our rights to others. YES, it's unfair that we have to have the child inside of us for 9 months and give birth to it, and the men do not- but that is a risk we accept when we have sex (just like men have to accept the risk that their partner may not feel the same way about children as he does). Yes we may not want the pain, the trouble, the shame, the hassle, the burden.. but we should be teaching people how to take responsiblity for their actions.

It's not just women who are affected in this issue. What about the father? It's his child too. Of course, like I said before, what about the child who deserves the right to live. This is human rights, not just women's rights.
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As for Christianity claiming to be moral and ethical, it forfeited that reality centuries ago. As idealistic as I am, organized Christianity has been nothing but a reactionary hate movement, more concerned with power, greed, and control than actually being concerned with truth.
I am quite troubled with these statements. I hope they are not driven by hurtful personal experience.

Yesterday’s worship service of “sinners anonymous” was notably void of hatred, power greed or desire for control. Instead we examined Galatians 3:1-14, what I would call a concern for truth.

Which leads to a basic question, what is your source of truth?

You are in my prayers brother Melon.
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I agree Zoomerang96, this issue makes me very sad to.
Obviously we have different reasons for this, but it can make anyone sad to think about, not just pro-lifers.

Not everyone "has to think this through and convince themselves" of anything. It's legal, and to those who choose to get an abortion, it's their decision. Not everyone who gets an abortion is haunted with regret or guilt or whatever bad feelings people like to assume go with it.

And I would also agree that it's not just a "woman's issue" it is indeed a human rights issue, but again we see things differently.

It is a legal activity.
Keeping it legal, keeps it safe.
I think the parental consent laws need to be removed.
Having them negates the purposed of keeping it legal and safe for ALL of child bearing age, not just some.
I've seen what happens to girls who can't tell their parents what happened and seek back alley abortions.
I've seen what happens when a woman is raped, wants to terminate the pregnancy only to be killed by the "father"
I've seen what happens when a girl gets nearly beaten to death by her mother for getting "knocked up" and wanting to "kill the baby".
None of these things are pretty, and none of these things should have to happen.
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Yes, let's keep it legal. Matter of fact, let's legalize killing anyone who's an inconvenience to us. That keeps it safer.
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to you it's killing, it isn't killing to everyone, you're not seeing it other than thru your own beliefs.
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Yes, let's keep it legal. Matter of fact, let's legalize killing anyone who's an inconvenience to us. That keeps it safer.
...just another assinine comment in a long string of assinine comments...

...there is a reason why the word is abort and not kill...
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to you it's killing, it isn't killing to everyone, you're not seeing it other than thru your own beliefs.
See, I can buy into this as long as we can say the same thing about the death penalty.
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Oh, right. It's only killing according to my truth. Tell me. How is it not killing? Are you saying there are no metabolic processes in a fetus? Its cells don't grow and multiply?

The reason it's called abort instead of kill is to sugar-coat it, silly. No one wants to kill, but it's ok if you call it something else.
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Have you read the previous posts?
We've been discussing the whole life/killing thing this whole time.

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Erm, yeah, and you haven't answered my question.

1. Human fetuses contain human DNA. Ergo, they are human.

2. Human fetuses' cells grow and multiply. They have a working metabolism. Hence, they are alive.

Put them together, and you have a living human.

I believe any woman who has an abortion deserves to be put through a meat-grinder.

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And I would also agree that it's not just a "woman's issue" it is indeed a human rights issue, but again we see things differently.

It is a legal activity.
Keeping it legal, keeps it safe.
I think the parental consent laws need to be removed.
Having them negates the purposed of keeping it legal and safe for ALL of child bearing age, not just some.
I've seen what happens to girls who can't tell their parents what happened and seek back alley abortions.
I've seen what happens when a woman is raped, wants to terminate the pregnancy only to be killed by the "father"
I've seen what happens when a girl gets nearly beaten to death by her mother for getting "knocked up" and wanting to "kill the baby".
None of these things are pretty, and none of these things should have to happen.
what has to happen. if we legalize it we're legalizing killing (IMO). If we don't make it safe, like you said, women seek other -much more dangerous- alternatives.

just, dont have sex until you can handle a child. maybe THIS is what's needed to be taught. (of course i'm skipping over the travesty of being pregnant after being raped, that's a whole other subject- obviously the women wasn't voluntarily having sex.) I know in my town we never had health education.

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human DNA does not = human being
cells do not = human being

I don't know why I'm even discussing this with anyone who thinks someone should be put through a meat grinder...

Hope you enjoyed your weekend oliveu2cm
I agree, there needs to be education badly.
Real education, not the "this is a female body, this is a male body. Any questions?" that we had in school
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Originally posted by Not George Lucas I believe any woman who has an abortion deserves to be put through a meat-grinder.
this is really unacceptable talk, Not George Lucas.


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Hope you enjoyed your weekend oliveu2cm
I agree, there needs to be education badly.
Real education, not the "this is a female body, this is a male body. Any questions?" that we had in school
thanks, I did. My friend got married.

My father is a health educator, by the way. (His students I meet are subsequentially fascinated by me, and obsessed with him! ) This does need to be talked about, sex ed and birth control needs to be talked about (not just at school but in the homes too). Abortion cannot be seen as a substitute/form of birth control, which I think is where it's at now, especially with teenage girls.
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That should be a rule too - don't have children of your own unlesss you are willing to talk to them about sex.

haha, population would go dooooowwwwn.
I wish more adults would teach kids about this stuff, but like a lot of things, their too embarrassed and assume someone else will do it for them.
When we first started getting "sex ed" in school it was the first time they had done so at our school and boy did it show!
Around 10 years later when a friends younger sister was attending the same school I figured things would have changed and they hadn't at all....they were told about their periods (which by that time 99% of them had already had anyway) and nothing about birth control or how to say "NO!" to someone with confidence. Not to mention STD's, that was just too much for my dinky little country school teachers to handle.

It's insane that these things aren't dealt with more.
And I agree, if we teach teens about birth control BEFORE they get pregnant, they'll realize they have more options in life.
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I believe any woman who has an abortion deserves to be put through a meat-grinder.

This is fucking bullshit.

Talk like this should not be tolerated, you may be a child Not Geroge Lucas, but you should at least ACT like an adult here.

State your opinions in an adult manner, but understand that when you make crap comments like this you are crossing the line of what is appropriate as some people here may have actually had abortions, and had to think long and hard before doing so.

It is not an easy choice, but one that is available today.

Why don't you think before you post?

If you are willing to put statements out there like that insulting members of this community,

YOU BETTER BE ABLE TO TAKE IT WHEN BACKLASH COMES YOUR WAY!!!!




To all others reading this thread, whether you believe in abortion or not, statements like this should not be tolerated in this forum. One may say, ignore it and move on, but understand that this is a very touchy subject and attacking or insulting the other side of the debate is not appropriate as that is what this is, a debate. I just hope I was not the only one offended by this crap.
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