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Old 08-30-2005, 11:47 PM   #1
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Remember, white people “find” things; black people “loot”.

Photo number one: “Two residents wade through chest-deep water after finding bread and soda from a local grocery store”.

Photo number two: “A young man walks through chest deep flood water after looting a grocery store”.

Two guesses as to the relative melanin levels of “two residents” and “a young man”.

Remember, white people “find” things; black people “loot”.





Two residents wade through chest-deep water after finding bread and soda from a local grocery store after Hurricane Katrina came through the area in New Orleans, Louisiana.(AFP/Getty Images/Chris Graythen)


A young man walks through chest deep flood water after looting a grocery store in New Orleans on Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005. Flood waters continue to rise in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina did extensive damage when it made landfall on Monday. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)
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Now who gives these descriptions; if it was the same person then sure I think it is an example of subtle racism, if it was different people then the threshold of what constitutes looting to them is a variable.
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The title of this thread has me crying from laughing so hard....

Deep your avatar is priceless.
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Since they're both taking food I'd definitely agree, that's blatant racism

Like someone said on CNN last night, taking food and water is completely understandable, not anything else unless it is a necessity. Racism like that by the media however is not understandable or acceptable.
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Oh this is great! I think you've hit it right on the nail here.

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perhaps if these captions were put together by the same people you might be on to a sliver of a point.
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perhaps if these captions were put together by the same people you might be on to a sliver of a point.


institutional bias?

sorry, it's the same picture, both people with food, only different races. does it matter if the headlines came from different people? they reflect the reality of how white eyes view the situation.
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Oh Brother, PCism run Amuck. I guess no one really knows who "Found" or looted anything. Although I think anyone who is wading through water above their waist is merely trying to survive.
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or perhaps one schmuck with a computer decided to use the word find, and one other schmuck diecided to use the word loot

or perhaps they decided to use the word loot because the one guy is carrying a garbage bag full of stuff as opposed to one loaf of bread

or perhaps the people who took these pictures witnessed the one man ransacking through a store while the other two got thre bread through other means... perhaps they found a store that was actually operating.

or perhaps the white people looted the things in their hands and the black man was taking stuff from his house and moving to dry land... or vice versa.

the problem with photographs is that they can be misleading. they do not tell the whole story... they do not show the events leading up to that single milisecond in time capture in the image.

so yea... let's calm down before we start labeling people racist over these pictures.
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here, here headache!!
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or perhaps one schmuck with a computer decided to use the word find, and one other schmuck diecided to use the word loot

or perhaps they decided to use the word loot because the one guy is carrying a garbage bag full of stuff as opposed to one loaf of bread

or perhaps the people who took these pictures witnessed the one man ransacking through a store while the other two got thre bread through other means... perhaps they found a store that was actually operating.

or perhaps the white people looted the things in their hands and the black man was taking stuff from his house and moving to dry land... or vice versa.

the problem with photographs is that they can be misleading. they do not tell the whole story... they do not show the events leading up to that single milisecond in time capture in the image.

so yea... let's calm down before we start labeling people racist over these pictures.


or perhaps in the eyes of the AP, white people find and black people loot.

it's as plausible an explanation as any you've offered, and if you've ever worked in media, you know how subjective these things are, and how out-of-context they can be taken; but you also know the linguistic bias in much news reporting -- in Europe, they're "ethnic groups;" in Africa, they're "tribes." it plagues media at all levels, and this situation appears much more symptomatic of this problem rather than the myriad excuses you've offered.
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I was actually noticing this kind of reporting before I even noticed this thread. It's not a one time thing with those photos, unfortunately.
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How do we know who wrote the caption? If it was a black person that described the looting would this even be an issue?

It's pretty easy to claim racism when you don't know any of the facts.
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so yea... let's calm down before we start labeling people racist over these pictures.
but patterns emerge,

LaToyia Figueroa and Lacey Petersen (who the hell is LaToyia Figueroa many likely ask).

Erica Pratt and Elizabeth Smart (who the hell is Erica Pratt many likely ask).

in these 4 cases we find 2 different broadly defined criminal activities, the first being the murder of a pregnant woman by someone very close to her and the second being the abduction of a young girl followed by their escape. each of these instances occurred around the same time as its comparable.

the cases of lacey petersen and elizabeth smart garnered international media attention. the cases of latoyia figueroa and erica pratt only got passing notice (based on my observation).

are these instances conclusive?
of course not, few things are.

is it worthy of discussion?
certainly.

in the case of these photographs, as Irvine pointed out, one could suspect institutional bias. based on their original address, deep linked to them from the same site so it is a possibility. the goal isn't to accuse anyone of racism but to see how we assign labels and identities to people. in other words, how do we 'make up' people.
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I think the captioning of these photographs is entirely premature. We don't know where any of that stuff came from, or how it was acquired.

And if you're in the middle of a city that has no tap water, no food, no stores open to sell you food and water, the relief convoys haven't arrived yet, etc., you've got a right to get food and water however you can.

But if I see you comin' out that store toting a stereo or and iPod, it's looting no matter what color you are.

But basically, I think it's way to early to shout "looter" on the basis of a photograph and whoever does is sticking their foot in their mouth...all the way to the knee.
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