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Old 08-31-2005, 10:44 AM   #16
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I was also going to bring up the kidnapping cases of the media only giving coverage to the white, upper middle class women and not the black women who had gone missing.


It's sad, all of the "looting" going on, but right now I think we can all agree that it's a "survival of the fittest" mentality there and we'd be hard pressed not to do the same if we were in the same situation.
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As someone who has studied and worked in media, "stereotyping" is prevalent, even if unintentional a lot of the time. No one is saying that these people are blatantly racist, but when you have two patently different captions, you're forced to ask questions.

What is the difference between scavenging for survival and looting?

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It's sad, all of the "looting" going on, but right now I think we can all agree that it's a "survival of the fittest" mentality there and we'd be hard pressed not to do the same if we were in the same situation.
Particularly when you're dealing with goods that are merely going to be written off as a loss and compensated by insurance, whether looted or left on the shelves. What company is going to sell storm damaged goods?

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Particularly when you're dealing with goods that are merely going to be written off as a loss and compensated by insurance, whether looted or left on the shelves. What company is going to sell storm damaged goods?

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So taking TVs, bikes, and other non-food items is ok because it's survival of the fittest or because a store will write it off? Maybe I should go down there to pick up a plasma tv if that's the type of logic used by people.
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It's either found or looted? Looted has a negative and illegal meaning behind it, found implies innocence.

Let's face it, it doesn't matter how these individuals obtained these items, it's a 99% chance they didn't pay for them. So what's the difference? Why give one individual a negative connotation?

It's funny how people bring up "survival" now but in another thread are calling for us to go after them ruthlessly.
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So taking TVs, bikes, and other non-food items is ok because it's survival of the fittest or because a store will write it off? Maybe I should go down there to pick up a plasma tv if that's the type of logic used by people.
Good luck getting a plasma TV to work after it's sumerged under water...
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So taking TVs, bikes, and other non-food items is ok because it's survival of the fittest or because a store will write it off? Maybe I should go down there to pick up a plasma tv if that's the type of logic used by people.
Go right ahead. What store will sell a plasma TV even with the threat of water damage? If it isn't looted, it will end up in the landfill at the end of the day.

Of course, I know it's a matter of "principle" a lot of the time, so the obligatory "outrage" from police is to be expected, even if it's silly.

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Headache is right though; this is almost certainly two completely different copy editors in two completely different AP bureaus in two completely different regions of the country. In such a case, it's completely subjective as to what the copy editor wants to write (cause it's not the photographer that writes the captions). Perhaps one copy editor assumes that anyone walking through the streets/rivers of New Orleans carrying things has looted, and writes the word "looted" in the caption. Perhaps the other copy editor does not want to assume the worst and writes "found". And the pictures they just happened to line up with are of a black man and a white couple, respectively.

Or maybe the photographer observed the white couple actually finding said bread and told that to the copy editor, while the other photographer (2 different photographers took these pictures) told the copy editor that he directly observed this black man breaking into a store and taking the food.

It could be as simple as the fact that the white people saw a loaf of bread floating down the street/river, having been carried off by the current and snatched it up. Just because they have it does not automatically mean that they looted it. I realize that works the other way too.

But in all probability we should not immediately assume that this is overt racism. News media persons are not automatically racist. We don't know any of the facts or context behind these photographs, nor do we know anything about the author(s) of these captions. So let's calm down before we start tossing the "racist" label around everywhere without knowing anything.

EDIT: And now that I go back and look at the images, they aren't even taken by the same news agency. The first photo was taken by the Associated Press Photo agency, and the second one was taken by AFP/Getty Images. So the captions weren't written by the same copy editor, and they weren't even written by the same news agency. So can it people. There's no fine line between "find" and "loot". It's all subjective.
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So can it people. There's no fine line between "find" and "loot". It's all subjective.
I think that's the whole point being made. Why would one assume illegal activity and the other very innocent activity?

You know what they say about people who assume...
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Headache is right though; this is almost certainly two completely different copy editors in two completely different AP bureaus in two completely different regions of the country. In such a case, it's completely subjective as to what the copy editor wants to write (cause it's not the photographer that writes the captions). Perhaps one copy editor assumes that anyone walking through the streets/rivers of New Orleans carrying things has looted, and writes the word "looted" in the caption. Perhaps the other copy editor does not want to assume the worst and writes "found". And the pictures they just happened to line up with are of a black man and a white couple, respectively.


so what you're saying, essentially, is that white skin causes you to assume one set of circumstance, and that black skin causes you to assume another.
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I'm saying that it could just be the verbiage that the copy editors wanted to use.

If the copy editors had gotten the opposite pictures, who's to say that the white couple wouldn't have looted the store and the black guy found the soda? That's what I mean. It could just be the language the copy editor arbitrarily put in (or was told to put in - that's not outside the realm of possibility).

We're all jumping to a pretty large conclusion here (all news media is racist), and I say we need more hard facts before making any kind of decision.
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We're all jumping to a pretty large conclusion here (all news media is racist), and I say we need more hard facts before making any kind of decision.
All media, news media included, is stereotypical. That means, at some times, it's racist. Other times, it's sexist or homophobic. It's always sensational, but generally not intentional.

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All media, news media included, is stereotypical. That means, at some times, it's racist. Other times, it's sexist or homophobic. It's always sensational, but generally not intentional.

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That's a pretty big assumption. Show me some hard facts.
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That's a pretty big assumption. Show me some hard facts.
You're asking the wrong question. This is all in the realm of theory and ideological criticism, which is more philosophy than "hard facts." I spent a year or so studying this, so to expect me to summarize all that in one post is unrealistic.

But start opening your eyes. Terri Shiavo got months of non-stop coverage and sympathy, while a black woman's child in a persistent vegetative state got barely a footnote in the media, when the hospital and the court system upheld a Texas state law (signed by "pro-life" George W. Bush when he was governor of Texas) that allowed hospitals to unplug Medicaid patients that are deemed "hopeless." I guess her protests weren't important enough.

Or how about all the people that go missing on a regular basis? Why is it only the pretty white women that get the 24/7 media coverage? How is Natalee Holloway's disappearance any different from the other people who have gone missing in the meantime?

Or how about American TV sitcoms? All men are small-minded morons who have no business being a father. The wife, inevitably, acts as the responsible, know-everything housewife and she ends up "mothering" everyone in the house, including her "husband." Not only could it be argued that it's insulting to working women, but it's also insulting to the men that actually are good parents and are responsible. But hey...when it comes to "divorce court," men are assumed to be as dopey as their sitcom counterparts, and the only thing they're good for is child support checks.

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That's a pretty big assumption. Show me some hard facts.

Isn't it obvious?


You tell me how many stories there are on the nightly news dealing with the abductions/killings of human beings of minority. You tell me how much coverage Robert Blake's trial got as opposed to OJ or Michael Jackson?

I think if you take a good look at any daily paper you can see blatant racism every single day.


Edit: I stand by my statement, provided that melon did a much better job of explaining it than I just did.
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