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Old 11-23-2004, 04:36 PM   #16
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everytime i open this thread that picture scares me.
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Old 11-23-2004, 06:04 PM   #17
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....and the winner is....

an online gaming casino based in canada.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...0249134.htm?1c



what does an online casino want with a virgin mary cheese sandwich?


they could not afford the jesus fish n' chips
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Old 11-24-2004, 05:29 AM   #18
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mmmmm, sacrilicious
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Old 11-25-2004, 06:37 AM   #19
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28 grand for a sandwich? Good grief.
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Old 11-29-2004, 08:04 AM   #20
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In principle, how is this item any different from other revered material objects, materials or matter?
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It can't be considered a relic. Relics are parts of a saint's body or a piece of clothing, or something else that touched the saint. Relics are controversial but they are a part of official Catholic teaching. No *image* can be a relic.
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... how is this item any different from other revered material objects, materials or matter?
to me it is not

places, materials, slivers of wood, etc. are of no more value than any other thing


the teachings of one, such as, “Jesus of Nazareth" is where the true value resides.


So the cheese sandwich is really of no more importance than a golden calf, any wall, building or mount

except that some value human life less than these things.
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It can't be considered a relic. Relics are parts of a saint's body or a piece of clothing, or something else that touched the saint. Relics are controversial but they are a part of official Catholic teaching. No *image* can be a relic.
But some treat images (kissing of icons) or other substances (dirt or water) as special.
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to me it is not

places, materials, slivers of wood, etc. are of no more value than any other thing


the teachings of one, such as, “Jesus of Nazareth" is where the true value resides.


So the cheese sandwich is really of no more importance than a golden calf, any wall, building or mount

except that some value human life less than these things.
I agree
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see I kinda believe what nbc and deep are saying. But, I know that if I was handed something that Jesus wore or touched or carried (if it was proven) I would likely treasure it and do everything in my power to make sure it was in a well protected place of honor.
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put it on Ebay

so we can find the TRUE value
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But some treat images (kissing of icons) or other substances (dirt or water) as special.
This includes yours truly. I have some holy water from the grotto at Lourdes. The reason this water is special is because miracles are associated with it. It must have a miracle associated with it. We Catholics, and also the Eastern Orthodox, are fond of icons. There has been alot of controversy over these things also. I suppose this sandwich could be classified as an icon. I prefer mine painted on wood.
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see I kinda believe what nbc and deep are saying. But, I know that if I was handed something that Jesus wore or touched or carried (if it was proven) I would likely treasure it and do everything in my power to make sure it was in a well protected place of honor.
Problem is, it's impossible to prove.
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Problem is, it's impossible to prove.
Yeah, that's a sticking point. Alot of this stuff is along the lines of Kierkegard's "leap of faith", something that must be believed and can't be proven.
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This includes yours truly. I have some holy water from the grotto at Lourdes. The reason this water is special is because miracles are associated with it. It must have a miracle associated with it. We Catholics, and also the Eastern Orthodox, are fond of icons. There has been alot of controversy over these things also. I suppose this sandwich could be classified as an icon. I prefer mine painted on wood.
Does this mean that the grilled cheese sandwich could be regarded as valuable?
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