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Old 10-21-2002, 05:28 PM   #16
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I do not think that was implied anywhere. However,the point is that there are Extremist Christians that are supporting one side over another, not because it is moral, but becasue they hope to cause the rapture to happen. That is what is wrong. Their comments are not to help the situation, but to throw more fuel onto the fire and give people a reason to hate our country.
Maybe I read Melon's post differently. Having spent some time studying Scripture, I occasionally see some beliefs dismissed as “fundamentalist,” critiqued as “intolerant,” or labeled “fanatic” – all without Scriptural support.

I think it is foolhardy to think that we can "cause the rapture to happen". Unfortunately, clowns like Falwell and Robertson think they can. Such is the work, however, of anyone seeking airtime. Shock statements get airplay. A thoughtful theological analysis of different religions, even if it results is a conclusion that more or more religions are false, won’t see the light of day.

I’d say extremist organizations (such as the “Army of God”) are thoroughly condemned by most denominations, even from the pulpit. I see plenty of internal critique of extremist views within a denomination. Sometimes its seems like too many believers have the gift of criticism.
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Maybe I read Melon's post differently. Having spent some time studying Scripture, I occasionally see some beliefs dismissed as “fundamentalist,” critiqued as “intolerant,” or labeled “fanatic” – all without Scriptural support.

I think it is foolhardy to think that we can "cause the rapture to happen". Unfortunately, clowns like Falwell and Robertson think they can. Such is the work, however, of anyone seeking airtime. Shock statements get airplay. A thoughtful theological analysis of different religions, even if it results is a conclusion that more or more religions are false, won’t see the light of day.

I’d say extremist organizations (such as the “Army of God”) are thoroughly condemned by most denominations, even from the pulpit. I see plenty of internal critique of extremist views within a denomination. Sometimes its seems like too many believers have the gift of criticism.
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Old 10-21-2002, 07:20 PM   #18
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I think it is foolhardy to think that we can "cause the rapture to happen". Unfortunately, clowns like Falwell and Robertson think they can. Such is the work, however, of anyone seeking airtime. Shock statements get airplay. A thoughtful theological analysis of different religions, even if it results is a conclusion that more or more religions are false, won’t see the light of day.

It is these people that scare me the most. They think they are working for God by trying to cause the rapture to happen. I think they fail to recognize that God will make it happen no matter what they do. Isn't it silly to think that we can influence when God's ultimate plan will occur? Maybe that is the plan?


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Old 10-21-2002, 07:58 PM   #19
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Isn't it silly to think that we can influence when God's ultimate plan will occur? Maybe that is the plan?


No way - too many warnings that we can't predict what will happen ("Like a thief in the night"). We are only told to be ready, not to say when - let alone force His hand!

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No way - too many warnings that we can't predict what will happen ("Like a thief in the night"). We are only told to be ready, not to say when - let alone force His hand!

Peace brothers!

Now this is making me think of the beginning of "Peace on Earth".
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President Bush wants war on extremists, however, he is not looking at the extremists within our own country.

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Maybe nobody is going after the "extremists" in our own country because they are NOT BLOWING UP FRIGGIN' BUILDINGS!!!!

Let's all cut the PC BS...this is a war against RADICAL ISLAM! Islamic extremists are the ones who blow up busses in Israel. Islamic extremists are the ones who flew planes into two of our tallest skyscrapers and KILLED 3,000 INNOCENT people.
Islamic extremists are the ones who have declared Jihad against all non-muslims.

Don't mean to shout, but I'm frankly getting sick of people side-stepping the FACTS on this one.

The war on terror, as of now, is against RADICAL ISLAM and their supporters. Period.
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Maybe nobody is going after the "extremists" in our own country because they are NOT BLOWING UP FRIGGIN' BUILDINGS!!!!
Wasn't Timothy McVeigh a US citizen? Although he wasn't a religious extremist, he did have extremist political ideas (AFAIK).

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Bottom line: Fundamental extremist views are always dangerous (be it religious, political, sociological).
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Maybe nobody is going after the "extremists" in our own country because they are NOT BLOWING UP FRIGGIN' BUILDINGS!!!!
True they are just getting in the way of peaceful resolutions to our nations problems. They damage our reputations in other nations becasue they are seen as the religious leaders of our country, just as our news reports about the extremist clerics in other nations.


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Let's all cut the PC BS...this is a war against RADICAL ISLAM! Islamic extremists are the ones who blow up busses in Israel. Islamic extremists are the ones who flew planes into two of our tallest skyscrapers and KILLED 3,000 INNOCENT people.
Islamic extremists are the ones who have declared Jihad against all non-muslims.
This is the first time I have EVER been accused of PC (SOMEONE TELL HIM I AM NOT PC PLEASE). I will have to go back and review my posts on other issues now. Interesting, our religious leaders have accused the religion of ISLAM to be a wicked religion. They did not specify RADICAL ISLAM. Our religious leaders have/are advocating action not becasue it is better for the world we live in, or to end human suffering. They are advocating action because they hope to cause the Second Coming to occur.

As for September 11, not one place in the article, nor in my posts have I said that we should do nothing in response. I have been very outspoken in my support of the War on Terrorism.

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Don't mean to shout, but I'm frankly getting sick of people side-stepping the FACTS on this one.
You are missing the fact. In the Muslim world, we had moderate muslims who supported our causes. In Desert Storm, we had the support of most Muslims in the region. The point of the article is that these ministers, due to their inflamatory language, and their overzealousness to cause the Rapture, they are not helping the world view of our country.

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The war on terror, as of now, is against RADICAL ISLAM and their supporters. Period.
Yes it is. The point of my post is that we allow Extremists in our own country to dominate. Again, if we do not change the root cause of the hatred towards our country, acts like Sept. 11 will continue to occur. Maybe looking in the mirror a little bit would help us. Please do not take this to mean I think we brought it on ourselves. There are many more factors, this may just be one of them though.


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WOLFWILL, what u see is a small portion of the big picture... The terrorism that has occured here, is because of the fighting extremists in this world....
Please don't tell me that the only enemies here are that of the Radical so-called muslims...
*I honestly believe that the main agressor here are the Western EXTREMISTS who have set thier ideologies and forced it on that of the Muslim World... The fault of the Muslim World, is that they have for the most part chosen the wrong strategy to go against it.... They are also lacking unity and respect for eachother.*

Wolfwill, Have you ever heard of Sabra And Shatilla; lets just say that was the equivilant of 911, except most of the victims were women and children.... Sharon had acted on an attack on a refugee camp in Lebanon, that held innocent Palestinians... till today, Sharon has not been charged for that...
O, and what about the thousends of children who have been shot and dilebrately killed by IDF soldiers in the West Bank... O, that sort of stuff we RARELY hear over hear...
Israel is the America of the Middle East, and Sharon, has dilleberately shown his anger against Arabs (Christian and Muslims)... Now, I"m not saying that Jews are extremists, but I'm giving you an example of Extremissm within the people of that faith....
What about Iran, we all remember the American hostages held captive.. But what about the Shah, what did he represent... NOne other then another appointed American puppet to Iran... The people of Iran had suffered under the Shah... Beleive me, this is an act of Western extremism...

Also, I'm not sure about any of you, but the only thing people hear about Chechnya over here, are the suicide attacks in Russia... Has anyone heard anything about the Mass slaughter of innocent little boys and men of Chechnya,?NO. Isn't interesting that Chechnya has an outstanding shortage of men and boys compared to women and girls..?.
This is where many of the resentment from the Muslim world comes from.. The WEST (for the most part) hAS FINANCIALLY AND SOME WHAT MORALLY SUPPORT THE HARSH TREATMENT THAT IS BEING IMPLEMENTED IN VARIOUS PARTS OF THE WORLD...

Point being, their is extremisnism in the Western World and the Muslim World....


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Army of God

and their Manuel

they are responsible for the bombings and anthrax incidents at abortion clinics, which rarely get media coverage, not to mention their stance on gays
Oh.My.Goodness.

I cannot believe these people. Seriously, I'm lost for words. They claim to be pro-LIFE and then they praise murderers? What sick people.
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Extremists, period, make me sick. They're bad news. I don't like these Christian fundamentalists who are saying bad things about Islam. What do they know about Islam? Next to nothing. I'm no expert on Islam but I do know that Moslem X is a decent person with an ordinary life. Saying all Moslems are terrorists or hateful or whatever is about like accusing Christians of being in extremist groups like the Army of God or the Ku Klux Klan. I don't like extremists like Osama either, but they don't represent Moslems. I wish these people would bother to get their facts straight and stop defaming Moslems. As a practicing Catholic this nonsense gets under my skin.
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So America wishes for Islamic nations to reign in their religious extremists? Maybe it's time we practiced what we preached.

*tongue planted firmly in cheek

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Christian Coalition is, not only anti-Islamic, but also anti-Semitic. Pamphlets printed by them, a couple years back, attempted to convert both groups, as they were all destined for hell.
Melon, wishing to convert someone doesn't make you anti-that person. I would want Jews and Muslims to come to Christ, and if given the opportunity, I would try to convert them if the Holy Spirit so led me. That doesn't make me anti-semitic or anti-Islamic. The term "anti" implies a certain dislike or even hatred. I defy anyone to call me anti-semitic.

Why do Christians try to convert? Because we know we've got the truth, and we want others to share in that. If someone were anti-semitic, why would he try to convert a Jew?
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You're right, 80s, wanting to convert someone isn't anti-anything. Conversion is a delicate topic. I should know, I'm a convert to Catholicism. The thing is, that person has to *want* to convert. If they don't want to convert, then they're not going to. Conversion is by choice, not coercion. I think it's the whole coercion thing that makes people upset about it. It has to be by choice.
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Melon, wishing to convert someone doesn't make you anti-that person. I would want Jews and Muslims to come to Christ, and if given the opportunity, I would try to convert them if the Holy Spirit so led me. That doesn't make me anti-semitic or anti-Islamic. The term "anti" implies a certain dislike or even hatred. I defy anyone to call me anti-semitic.
I guess this depends on how the conversion is handled. If an individual comes to you, then I wouldn't see the conversion as being anti-anything. But if you approach them based on the fact that you know they are Jewish, Muslim, etc. than what you are saying is "my way is right and I oppose your way of thinking" then I would say that is being anti-semitic, etc.
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