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Old 06-15-2006, 09:53 AM   #46
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I more or less agree MrsS

It seems to me that there is a different question here as well. Unlike the slurs 'nigger' and 'mother fucker' the word cunt also has literal meaning. It is simply a name for a part of the female reproductive organ. If we could reclaim the word for that use I would consider that a great thing.
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It seems to me that there is a different question here as well. Unlike the slurs 'nigger' and 'mother fucker' the word cunt also has literal meaning. It is simply a name for a part of the female reproductive organ. If we could reclaim the word for that use I would consider that a great thing.
Kind of like "Nazi" is simply shorthand for the National Socialist party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei)?

I dunno, some words are just beyond reclaiming, and like anitram says, this C-word issue is pretty much at the bottom of the priority list.
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'Nazi' is refers to a member of Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or a person sharing that particularly disgusting world view - in every way a sickening thought

Cunt refers to the vagina and is not shorthand for anything. My point is that there is not anything repulsive about the object of the word.

And let me clarify: I wouldn’t use the word in polite company while it has such strong derogatory connotations – but it would be nice to have a word for the most personal part of the female body that doesn’t make you sound like an anatomy lesson.
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Has any group really ever been made better, stronger, more empowered because of a "reclaimed" word? The entire concept seems a little silly to me.
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Has any group really ever been made better, stronger, more empowered because of a "reclaimed" word? The entire concept seems a little silly to me.


i suppose i agree.

i've never, ever used the word "queer" in a serious context.

though i'd use "fag" or "homo" with close friends, because it can be cute and silly.

though i'd never touch "faggot." that one still reeks of hate and potential violence to me. it just feels uncomfortable.
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though i'd never touch "faggot." that one still reeks of hate and potential violence to me. it just feels uncomfortable.
Just two nights ago I was over at a friend's and we had on VH-1 classic rock videos in the background. The video for Dire Straits' "Money for Nothing" came on and we commented that we couldn't believe they got away with saying "faggot" in 1985. And it was a huge, huge hit. It's weird that I never really even thought about it before or even contemplated the lyrics very much. Was this a homophobic statement or a statement about homophobes? Any thoughts? Not to derail the thread...but seems relevant.

See the little faggot with the earring and the makeup
Yeah buddy that's his own hair
That little faggot got his own jet airplane
That little faggot he's a millionaire
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See the little faggot with the earring and the makeup
Yeah buddy that's his own hair
That little faggot got his own jet airplane
That little faggot he's a millionaire


i do remember that, and i do remember singing along to that when i was, like, 7 years old and not thinking much of it.

i think Mark Knopfler was quoting guys he heard in a television store talking about a Prince video or something.

in this context, "faggot" is probably more to do with an effeminate-seeming male (kind of what Eminem says he means when he uses "faggot" ... and i sort of believe him, though that's a whole other topic) than anything specifically anti-gay.

i suppose it's worse when someone knows someone else is gay, and then uses "faggot" in a derogatory way.
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i think Mark Knopfler was quoting guys he heard in a television store talking about a Prince video or something.

in this context, "faggot" is probably more to do with an effeminate-seeming male (kind of what Eminem says he means when he uses "faggot" ... and i sort of believe him, though that's a whole other topic) than anything specifically anti-gay.
Being a fan of their music but not knowing much about them and never having investigated what Knopfler meant, I hope you're right, and it sounds right. Also, I don't think the word carried the weight then than it does now. Gays in 1985 were already using it with each other much like they do "queer" today but it didn't seem to stick; the negativity of it just seemed to get worse and then the word was basically abandoned by gays and is now mostly used by very ignorant people. That's my take on it anyway.
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I have to agree with Anitram and others that reclaiming this word wouldn't be high on my list of priorities.

Whether I found the word offensive or not on its own, I would still find it offensive to be referred to by my genitalia, no matter what the context.
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i suppose it's worse when someone knows someone else is gay, and then uses "faggot" in a derogatory way.
I agree in that you know someone's intent - which shows the culpability of the speaker.

I most other cases with these "banned" words, intent is inferred based solely on the use of the word.
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I guess my question is, why deal with it in the first place? What value does the word "cunt" have that's worth salvaging?
I would ask the same thing. I never use the c-word. IMO, it's a vile, useless word. I don't care if the Vagina Monologues wants us all to stand up and scream it. I don't use it, don't plan to use it, and don't buy into the "reclaiming" of it. Like others here have said, there are more pressing issues at hand than the use of the c-word.
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That being said, I'm not going to go out of my way to offend somebody. I understand the concern when it is used as a weapon (degradation is in the intent, not the word) And to use cunt as a semi- political tool would bore the hell out of me and rob me of the pleasure of using the word for its own linguistic sake.
I definitely agree with that. I would never go out of my way to offend someone just so I could "reclaim" a word. That's just being respectful of others.
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Has any group really ever been made better, stronger, more empowered because of a "reclaimed" word? The entire concept seems a little silly to me.
"That's Hot"

is

also empowering...



Maybe some human conditions were never meant to be understood. Perhaps the needless claims and trademarks and reclaims of words in the dictionary, or the Urban Dictionary is the most difficult to understand in regards to generating empowerment.
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In all honestly I use the word many times throughout my day. But I tend to not say it in the presence of women. For fear of being made to look like an asshole, maybe, but out of respect.

When looking at the word from a American/Canadian standpoint it is very offensive. But when I'm at my house in Ireland and this word is used it is nearly acepted as normal.

I only use the word out of frustration or say it to other male friends of mine. I could not see how that would be hurting the cause of making the word less loaded.

With males using this word more and more towards other males is this good for this so called 'reclaiming'?
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