A_Wanderer
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Israel negotiating with Arafat is suicidal. The ME is going ahead properly and once the IAF wipes out Irans nuclear ambitions all will be well.
Boston01 said:Your telling us (in hindsight) why Bush shouldn't have gone into Iraq. We all know it was based on bad intelligence. The same intelligence which was shared by the rest of the free world. Your not telling me why I should vote for Kerry/Edwards. Because one person was wrong doesn't mean another person is right. This is especially true when that other person is on the record saying they would have done the same thing given the intelligence of the day.
Dreadsox said:
I don't and it was one of my arguments that for the United States this was posisitve because it created a front in a frontless war.
nbcrusader said:
Are you suggesting that Hamas represents "acceptable" terror? Is there any justification for Saddam's support of Hamas?
If sadam's support of Hamas was done in the open, do you even ponder what was being done by Saddam in the shadows???
A_Wanderer said:It is very simple, violence against Israelis isn't terrorism because they deserve it - that is the view presented to the world by the Europeans and UN and that is widely accepted. They repeat the myth of the cycle of violence to justify their hypocracy and will point out to the lone nut Israeli who wants to exterminate Palestinians to justify the widespread sentiment of driving the Jews into the sea among Palestinians or the Palestinian child killed in an urban combat situation to justify Suicide Homocide Bombings.
The cause for war was that Saddam Hussein had not verifiably disarmed his banned weapons, verifiably disarmed - that is the key term here. He may well have disarmed his weapons but he maintained the fascade of retaining them to protect Iraq from Iran, he just happened to to it so well that the world believed he had WMD. If the inspectors had completed their inspections and found nothing then the sanctions would have been lifted and the regime would then have reactivated the WMD program, this was the intention of the regime and it would certainly be driven by Irans accelerating nuclear ambitions. Millitary intervention was the right choice, it guaranteed that Saddam would never pose a threat to anybody again and eliminated the nightmare scenario of Iraq giving WMD to terrorist groups.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
I agree, Dread you and I may disagree on certain things, but one thing that we do agree on is that this war was a frontless war. From what you are saying it sounds like you think it's good that we created a front(if I'm wrong I apologise) but I can't disagree more. This just makes the movement stronger. We gave them a common goal, a common ground. Now we have different terrorist groups that never got along before that are working together.
NONE OF THIS WAS THOUGHT OUT!!! I'M NOT A MILITARY STRATEGIST BUT HELL THIS IS SOMETHING AN ELEMENTARY STUDENT CAN FIGURE OUT.
paxetaurora said:Classical utilitarianism actually has nothing to do with emotion. Utilitarianism came out of Britain during the Enlightenment, formed largely by the political thinkers and philosophers Jeremy Bentham and John Stuart Mill.
Both Bentham and Mill, despite some differences between them, both believed that the calculus behind ethical decisions should be based on seeking the greatest good for the greatest number of people. Both Mill and Bentham, if you ever take the time to actually read their work, were incredibly rigorous and logical philosophers whose work is still studied and argued today. I don't think that Democrats or Republicans have franchise on logical or illogical decisions, on utilitarianism or contractarianism (Rousseau, "social contract," if this means anything to anyone). While utilitarianism is sometimes associated with liberalism, classical liberalism has little do with the Democratic Party as we know it today (just as classical conservatism has little do with today's Republicans). Utilitarianism can be just as well used to justify decisions made by conservatives as liberals.
I was a philosophy major in college, so you can't b.s. philosophy in this forum.
Dreadsox said:
No you heard me correct. One of the reasons I was in favor of the war was it created a front. Instead of attacking American Civilians here, they are attacking there.
A_Wanderer said:Israel negotiating with Arafat is suicidal.
deep said:
I wonder how this sounds to people who homes have beem blown up?
I wonder how this sounds to parents burying their loved ones because WE created a FRONT in thier front yard, back yard, churches and other public places where it did not exist before?