Reaching Out to Dems - Bushit - Page 7 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 11-12-2004, 07:32 AM   #91
New Yorker
 
sharky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 2,637
Local Time: 02:57 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Dreadsox
Believe me, I am not jumping up and down thrilled over this, but I am looking at the brite side..... He was suppposed to be the supreme court nominee....maybe he won't be now...
It's scary when not having that as an alternative is a good thing.

The problem with violating the Geneva Conventions is, as Colin Powell pointed out, if we don't adhere to the standards with enemy combatants, enemy combatants won't adhere to the standards when they capture our soldiers. It puts our soldiers at great risk to violate these conventions. Even if we are fighting a terrorist regime that may never adhere to standards, we are the United States and we should act like nobel fighters. I'm still not sure about where I lie when it comes to using torture techniques on suspected terrorists. But there is a difference between using torture to get answers and doing what we did in Gitmo and Abu Graiab. There was no reason we needed to torture those Iraqis like that. There is no way why we continue to keep thousands of prisoners in Gitmo without due process. We are the United States and as a strong and fair nation, we should be acting better than this.
__________________

__________________
sharky is offline  
Old 11-12-2004, 09:01 AM   #92
Blue Crack Addict
 
deep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: A far distance down.
Posts: 28,501
Local Time: 11:57 PM
nobody is happier than the pro-lifers
__________________

__________________
deep is offline  
Old 11-15-2004, 04:52 AM   #93
Blue Crack Addict
 
MrsSpringsteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 24,974
Local Time: 02:57 AM
Time Article

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...0.html?cnn=yes

Said a Republican: "If the Democrats want to attack the first Hispanic Attorney General, well, good luck to them. We'll be happy to take our share of that vote up to 50% next time "
__________________
MrsSpringsteen is offline  
Old 11-15-2004, 07:04 AM   #94
New Yorker
 
sharky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 2,637
Local Time: 02:57 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by MrsSpringsteen
Time Article

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...0.html?cnn=yes

Said a Republican: "If the Democrats want to attack the first Hispanic Attorney General, well, good luck to them. We'll be happy to take our share of that vote up to 50% next time "
Scary. Wonder if they know he won't be getting this job but are trying to divide the Hispanics. If that's the case, they are just sick for using Gonzales as a political football knowing full well that he won't be approved.
__________________
sharky is offline  
Old 11-15-2004, 07:36 AM   #95
Blue Crack Addict
 
MrsSpringsteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 24,974
Local Time: 02:57 AM
That person makes it sound like him being "attacked" has something to do w/ him being Hispanic

"Playing the race card?"

I'm not saying every Republican is doing that of course
__________________
MrsSpringsteen is offline  
Old 11-15-2004, 08:05 AM   #96
Blue Crack Addict
 
nbcrusader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Southern California
Posts: 22,071
Local Time: 11:57 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by MrsSpringsteen
That person makes it sound like him being "attacked" has something to do w/ him being Hispanic

"Playing the race card?"

I'm not saying every Republican is doing that of course
Perhaps it is returning the favor of those who play the race card. We often hear those measure a President's character by an analysis of the race & gender of those the President appoints to various positions.

The Gonzalez nomination neutralizes this aspect of politics.
__________________
nbcrusader is offline  
Old 11-15-2004, 11:26 AM   #97
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
 
BVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 40,641
Local Time: 01:57 AM
I didn't like the man when I lived in Texas(he's a real asshole personally) and I really don't like the idea of him taking this position...but he's better than Ashcroft...but that's not saying much.
__________________
BVS is offline  
Old 11-15-2004, 11:52 AM   #98
Blue Crack Addict
 
verte76's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: hoping for changes
Posts: 23,331
Local Time: 07:57 AM
Quite frankly, I don't expect to particularly like any appointee of this Administration. I'm not surprised that I don't much care for this guy. C'est la vie.
__________________
verte76 is offline  
Old 01-03-2005, 04:12 PM   #99
New Yorker
 
Scarletwine's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Outside it's Amerika
Posts: 2,746
Local Time: 02:57 AM
http://207.44.245.159/article7593.htm

The Question of Torture: Open letter to Alberto Gonzales

More than 200 American religious leaders

12/23/2004

To add your name as a signer, write — james@votingcatholic.org

An Open Letter to Alberto R. Gonzales
Hon. Alberto R. Gonzales
Counsel to the President
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, DC 20500

Dear Mr. Gonzales,

We, the undersigned religious leaders, greet your nomination to be Attorney General of the United States with grave concern.

As a self-professed evangelical Christian, you surely know that all people are created in the image of God. You see it as a moral imperative to treat each human being with reverence and dignity. We invite you to affirm with us that we are all are made in the image of God every human being. We invite you to acknowledge that no legal category created by mere mortals can revoke that status. You understand that torture — the deliberate effort to undermine human dignity — is a grave sin and affront to God. You would not deny that the systemic use of torture on prisoners at Abu Ghraib was fundamentally immoral, as is the deliberate rendering of any detainee to authorities likely to commit torture.

We urge you to declare that any attempt to undermine international standards on torture, renditions, or habeas corpus is not only wrong but sinful. We are concerned that as White House counsel you have shown a troubling disregard for international laws against torture, for the legal rights of suspected "enemy combatants," and for the adverse consequences your decisions have had at home and abroad.

How could you have written a series of legal memos that disrespected international law and invited these abuses? How could you have justified the use of torture and disavowed protections for prisoners of war? How could you have referred to the Geneva Conventions as quaint and obsolete. We fear that your legal judgments have paved the way to torture and abuse.

We therefore call upon you
To denounce the use of torture under any circumstances;
To affirm, with the Supreme Court, that it is unconstitutional to imprison anyone designated as an "enemy combatant" for months without access to lawyers or the right to challenge their detentions in court;
To affirm the binding legality of the Geneva Conventions and the laws of war;
And to reject the practice of "extraordinary rendition," at home and abroad, by which terrorists suspects are sent to countries that practice torture for interrogation.

We believe, as you do, that the United States must be an example of moral leadership in the world community. However, the events at Abu Ghraib have gravely compromised Americas moral authority. We ask that you commit yourself as Attorney General to repairing that damage by articulating and enforcing legal policies that reject the use of torture, embrace and advance standards of international law, and honor the dignity of all of Gods creation.

With prayers for wisdom and grace,
[Affiliations noted for identification only]

Dr. George Hunsinger, Church Folks for a Better America
Joseph C. Hough, Jr., President, Union Theological Seminary
Bishop Thomas J. Gumbleton, Aux. Bishop, Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Detroit
....
__________________
Scarletwine is offline  
Old 01-04-2005, 07:16 AM   #100
Blue Crack Addict
 
nbcrusader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Southern California
Posts: 22,071
Local Time: 11:57 PM
I guess we do want the influence of religion in the US.
__________________
nbcrusader is offline  
Old 01-04-2005, 10:55 AM   #101
New Yorker
 
Scarletwine's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Outside it's Amerika
Posts: 2,746
Local Time: 02:57 AM
I don't like religion used to legislate, but they certainly are allowed to express their opinion. Especially since this admin evokes reliogion and uses religious figures to further their agenda.
I find him aborrent on moral grounds, regardless of my religious affiliation.
__________________
Scarletwine is offline  
Old 01-05-2005, 01:47 PM   #102
Blue Crack Addict
 
MrsSpringsteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 24,974
Local Time: 02:57 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/....ap/index.html

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Attorney General nominee Alberto Gonzales' confirmation hearing that begins Thursday may become more contentious because the White House has refused to provide copies of his memos on the questioning of terror suspects.

"We go into the hearing with some knowledge of what has occurred because of press reports or leaks but without the hard evidence that will either exonerate or implicate Judge Gonzales in this policy," complained Sen. Richard Durbin of Illinois, the Senate's No. 2 Democrat, on Monday
__________________
MrsSpringsteen is offline  
Old 01-05-2005, 02:28 PM   #103
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
 
BVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 40,641
Local Time: 01:57 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by nbcrusader
I guess we do want the influence of religion in the US.
I think it's a matter of trying to speak to them in a "language" they understand.
__________________
BVS is offline  
Old 01-09-2005, 12:07 PM   #104
ONE
love, blood, life
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Tempe, Az USA
Posts: 12,856
Local Time: 12:57 AM



2 Presidents now working for the common good.

see article below:

Jan. 17 issue - Four years ago George W. Bush used to call him "the shadow" and promised a fresh start by pledging to "uphold the honor and dignity" of the presidency. He even joked to late-night TV's David Letterman that one of his top 10 priorities in the White House would be to give the Oval Office "one heck of a scrubbing."



But when President Bush welcomed Bill Clinton into that same office last week, those barbs were ancient history. After Clinton remarked how much he liked the new Oval Office rug, Bush encouraged him to praise his interior designer—Laura. (He did.) Over lunch with the president's father, the compliments flowed the other way. When Bush 41 inquired whether Chelsea Clinton had marriage plans, Bush 43 declared how impressed he was with the former president's daughter.


For two men at opposite ends of the political spectrum, the relationship between the 43rd and 42nd presidents has grown surprisingly warm and personal over the last six months. Clinton endorsed Bush's approach to the tsunami catastrophe, defending him against criticism about his initial response as well as raising cash alongside the president's father. Friends and aides say the two men enjoy each other's company and, as fellow pros, respect each other's political talents.

The rapid thaw started with the unveiling of Clinton's official portrait in the White House in June, when Bush told his speechwriters he wanted to deliver something "very praiseworthy, warm, funny and short." During Clinton's recent health crisis, Bush called twice to share what one of the former president's aides called "good, funny conversations." And in November, at the opening of Clinton's presidential library in Little Rock, Ark., both the president and his father delivered praise that Clinton reveled in. Clinton even pulled aside Karl Rove, the architect of Bush's election success, to congratulate him.

While aides on both sides say there's still a political chasm between the two presidents, they also point to a common style: both are Southern politicians who love to woo crowds, and whose qualities were underestimated by Washington's establishment. There's also Bush's future membership in one of the smallest elites on the planet: the ex-presidents' club. "And they're members of an even more exclusive club—the two-termers," noted one senior administration official. "To go back to the people for affirmation and be there for eight years puts them in a different class." Bush's aides said the president is already thinking of his own presidential- library plans as well as his own role after 2008, as another relatively young ex-president.

Just don't expect the working partnership to extend to Hillary Clinton, whose supporters want her to run in four years. "Honestly, I don't think getting together with George Bush is what she needs," said one ex-Clinton aide. Friendships may blossom between ex-presidents, but presidential hopefuls live in a far more hostile world.

—Richard Wolffe, Tamara Lipper and Eleanor Clift

© 2005 Newsweek, Inc.
__________________
diamond is offline  
Old 01-09-2005, 02:48 PM   #105
New Yorker
 
Scarletwine's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Outside it's Amerika
Posts: 2,746
Local Time: 02:57 AM
Diamond,

Maybe Elvis will set up a forum "GWB" so you can post pictures all day.

(No disrespect to PLEBA)
__________________

__________________
Scarletwine is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:57 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com