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Old 08-15-2006, 01:41 PM   #16
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No matter where you work, beliefs are forced upon you that are contrary to your own-you make a choice to either conform and do what they want, to rebel (and risk consequences) or you quit. The big differences here are-you are dealing with a woman who is the victim of a crime, you are refusing to help her avoid a possible pregnancy because of your own religious beliefs (or medical if one believes that is the case), and you are violating an oath you took. How can anyone say no harm was done to this woman? As far as I know the oath isn't restricted to physical harm.

What if police refused to help people based upon moral or religious beliefs..fire? ambulance?
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I think you are appropriately seeking a broader standard where religious belief cannot interfer with the conduct of a job - be it medical, security, emergency response, etc. Not just an exemption for case of rape.
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What if police refused to help people based upon moral or religious beliefs..fire? ambulance?
My thoughts exactly. My fiance's parents just told me how they've fallen in love with Bono and his new analogy about Christians not wanting to help people with AIDS because of the sex factor and how he said "well, if you saw a bad car accident and a man was bleeding from the head, but he smelled like alcohol, would you really just leave him there? duh, NO!"

Same diff, people.
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Basically I'm talking about..when you are responsible for the life, well being (physical and mental, emotional, and all that, basic humanity of any other human life)-your first obligation in your job is to that person, regardless of any personal beliefs you have. The point I was trying to make is, when do you ever see anyone in any of those other jobs making decisions about patients/the public-to not save their lives, to not assist them, to not put out a fire? Granted her life wasn't literally at stake (theoretically maybe it could have been due to the pregnancy, or maybe she might even consider suicide one day), but put yourself in the place of that woman-any of us, try to put yourself in her shoes. It would be like saying- go somewhere else to put the fire out, drive somewhere and get a bucket of water.

I just for the life of me cannot imagine the coldness and heartlessness of doing that to a rape victim, I just can't. Not to mention the dereliction of professional duty.
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Do no harm.
Exactly the phrase I thought of and was getting ready to type....
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The fact that another doctor in the article said that it's fine she had to go 40 miles to another county because, after all, people drive 40 miles to buy JEANS tells you a lot about the complete lack of consideration women who are raped continue to get in our society.

I can't for the life of me conceive how he thought that was an appropriate analogy.
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The fact that another doctor in the article said that it's fine she had to go 40 miles to another county because, after all, people drive 40 miles to buy JEANS tells you a lot about the complete lack of consideration women who are raped continue to get in our society.

I can't for the life of me conceive how he thought that was an appropriate analogy.
Makes me want to hack off his weenie and tell him he can go 40 miles to the next urologist because, after all, people drive 40 miles to buy jeans....
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All you whiny liberals. These conservative Christians pose no threat to America they are just exercising their beliefs.












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The fact that another doctor in the article said that it's fine she had to go 40 miles to another county because, after all, people drive 40 miles to buy JEANS tells you a lot about the complete lack of consideration women who are raped continue to get in our society.

I can't for the life of me conceive how he thought that was an appropriate analogy.
she probably had it commin'

what was she doing when this alleged rape occured?

what was she wearing?

was she out late at night?


had she been drinking?


these are things one should consider,
before taking an innocent life
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Im glad that I am immoral.
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she probably had it commin'

what was she doing when this alleged rape occured?

what was she wearing?

was she out late at night?


had she been drinking?


these are things one should consider,
before taking an innocent life

and now the little slut's gonna pay!

oh, the regret she'll feel when she has to wake up in the middle of the night and feed a baby she doesn't want and can't adequately support.

next time, she'll wait until she's properly married.
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This disgusts me. The woman should be given the pill if that's consistent with her convictions.
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Absolutely pathetic. Just agreeing with the whole 'Do No Harm' argument. An emergency doctor is there to help and SUPPORT and basically tells an emotionally distraught (and physically assulted) woman that if he actually helps her in not getting pregnant by some disgusting asshole rapists baby, she's basically a murderer by askign for help.

And all this bullshit is based on FAITH not FACT. WTF?? Does he not work Sundays cause its his day of rest and when some multiple stab wound victim comes in on a Sunday he says 'sorry you'll have to wait till monday, i don't want to go against my religious beliefs'

Meh.
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You know what, fuck this 'forcing one set of beliefs on one in favour of another.' Nice to know Drs piss on their Hippocratic Oath. They simply need not take the fucking Oath in the first place.
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