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Old 02-24-2008, 12:49 PM   #16
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I disagree. I think that the majority of Nader voters don't necessarily think that he's adequate enough to run the country, but instead like the idea that he claims he's for the little guy. And for legalized pot. Or just that he's not the establishment--he's the punk rock candidate, the mohawk in high school, the middle finger to the current system. But can Nader as Nader the man actually run the country? I don't think so, and I don't think that half his supporters truly ask themselves that question.

I don't presume to know what the majority of Nader voters think. But I have spoken to many of them over the years and I've heard reasonable positions on why they support him. The only reasons I've heard that correlate with your suppositions (which may be right for all I know) are that I've heard people say they believe he is for the little guy and that he is outside the establishment.
The reasonings I've heard is they believe he is intelligent, principled, his own thinker, a warrior and not one of the other parties' candidates with which they have become disillusioned. Accurate or not, they are fair reasonings. I know several of the same who won't vote for him again because they feel voting for them helped put Bush into the White House but still like him.

I'm not that disrespectful of a Nader voter. He has made contributions which I think were important.
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that certainly turned out splendidly, didn't it...
Exactly, and I think that's why no one wants to even chance it...
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I don't presume to know what the majority of Nader voters think. But I have spoken to many of them over the years and I've heard reasonable positions on why they support him. The only reasons I've heard that correlate with your suppositions (which may be right for all I know) are that I've heard people say they believe he is for the little guy and that he is outside the establishment.
The reasonings I've heard is they believe he is intelligent, principled, his own thinker, a warrior and not one of the other parties' candidates with which they have become disillusioned. Accurate or not, they are fair reasonings. I know several of the same who won't vote for him again because they feel voting for them helped put Bush into the White House but still like him.

I'm not that disrespectful of a Nader voter. He has made contributions which I think were important.
The majority of Nader supporters I knew in college (Georgetown--a fairly political college at that) liked him because 1). he was neither a Democrat nor a Republican, and 2). because he said he favored legalized weed (obviously a strike to get young voters). Maybe 1 in 3 would talk about his business skills and principles, and even those touted reasons #1 and #2 as strong influences, as well.

I'm not trying to be disrespectful of Nader voters; it's just that I haven't met very many who would be able to make a decent argument in a "Nader vs. ___" thread. Nor am I fully trying to be disrespectful of Nader himself..... Yes, he certainly has made some important contributions in this country. I just don't think that any of them apply to running a country of 300million people.
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I know several of the same who won't vote for him again because they feel voting for them helped put Bush into the White House ....
What really frosts my cookie is that they couldn't see this coming from ten miles away like the rest of us could.
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Are we sure Nader is running for President of the U.S. and not Cuba? Check out the pic on this article in the Globe and Mail before they realize their error and remove it:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...rnational/home


ETA - Ah, shoot now that they've announced the new leader, they've rectified it; it was a picture of Ralph Nader and the caption below read "Raul Castro, widely expected to be the new leader of Cuba"
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Old 02-24-2008, 04:03 PM   #21
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The majority of Nader supporters I knew in college (Georgetown--a fairly political college at that) liked him because 1). he was neither a Democrat nor a Republican, and 2). because he said he favored legalized weed (obviously a strike to get young voters). Maybe 1 in 3 would talk about his business skills and principles, and even those touted reasons #1 and #2 as strong influences, as well.

We met different voters. All of the ones I spoke to were beyond college age. It'd be interesting and absolutely irrelevant to do a minor paper on the demographic of the Nader voter. I stand somewhat corrected based on your experiences (even though I support the decriminalization of grass).
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I figured since no one said anything about it after Meet the Press this morning, all the pondering here was unfounded.

Apparently not.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/...ics/index.html
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What's wrong with this guy?
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I can only come to two conclusions. Either Nader has completely lost touch with reality, or he's been paid off by Republicans.
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Either Nader has completely lost touch with reality,
This has got to be the one.
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You should try to see "An Unreasonable Man" - it gives a lot of insight into his character.

My guess is ego.
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Here's my main problem with Nader. For someone who supposedly represents the little man, we've heard awfully little from him during these past 7 years, except during elections. Abu Graib? Nothing. Billions of dollars lost in Iraq? Nothing. Katrina? Nothing. Warrantless wiretapping? Not a word. For someone so tirelessly dedicated to protecting the consumer and the little guy (as he never fails to remind us when he runs), you'd think he'd be more vocal about it during non-election times. Oh, but when it's election time suddenly he decides he needs to run for the good of the country.

I think he's more shameless and opportunistic than any of the other candidates we've had in this election so far.
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Found this little gem via metafilter:

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Here's my main problem with Nader. For someone who supposedly represents the little man, we've heard awfully little from him during these past 7 years, except during elections. Abu Graib? Nothing. Billions of dollars lost in Iraq? Nothing. Katrina? Nothing. Warrantless wiretapping? Not a word. For someone so tirelessly dedicated to protecting the consumer and the little guy (as he never fails to remind us when he runs), you'd think he'd be more vocal about it during non-election times. Oh, but when it's election time suddenly he decides he needs to run for the good of the country.

I think he's more shameless and opportunistic than any of the other candidates we've had in this election so far.
I think you're right. If he really wanted to run a viable third party candadicy he should have taken the time to build the national support. He should have been making his case for the past four years so that when he decides to run he's got substantial support and an actual shot at winning. Most candidates quit when they realize they don't have the support for a possible win (most already have). Nader STARTS his campaign at that point. Ridiculous. And yes, very much about his ego.
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I was hoping Nader wouldn't run. Now he'll just throw the election to the Republicans. Of course Obama is a better candidate than Gore was.
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