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Old 04-05-2004, 01:36 AM   #1
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Ralph Nader and John Kerry in an alliance

So, Nader is going to strategize with Kerry on how to defeat Bush in November.

I've included an article from CNN concerning the specifics, but what will be discussed and later decided on as the best strategy has yet to be seen.

Any thoughts on what the outcome will be?

Nader says he'll meet with Kerry
Independent candidate cites common objective: Bush's defeat
Monday, March 29, 2004 Posted: 4:02 PM EST (2102 GMT)

Independent candidate Ralph Nader says he won't drop out of the presidential race.

ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- Independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader said he will meet with presumptive Democratic nominee John Kerry next month to discuss their "common objective" of beating President Bush in November.

The Kerry campaign had no immediate comment to Nader's disclosure, which came as the consumer advocate campaigned Sunday in Atlanta, Georgia.

Nader said the meeting will take place in Washington in April but said no specific date has been set. He told CNN that he and Kerry "have a common objective, and that's to defeat the giant corporation residing in the White House masquerading as a human being."

"I'm going to say, 'Look, let's collaborate to defeat George Bush, even though we're competitors,' " Nader said. "John Kerry just stood firm on fuel efficiency standards for cars to go to 36 miles a gallon on the average by the end of 2015. We're going to back him up with the engineering data for that because we know a little bit about the auto industry. And we're going to say it's not enough.

"So that will bolster [the case] against Bush, who represents oil and gas interests and wouldn't mind if your car got six miles on the gallon."

Many Democrats blame Nader's Green Party presidential bid in 2000 for contributing to former Vice President Al Gore's loss that year. Last week, former President Carter urged Nader to quit this year's race.

"Ralph, go back to umpiring softball games or examining the rear end of automobiles, and don't risk costing the Democrats the White House this year as you did four years ago," Carter told a party unity dinner in Washington.

But Nader said Sunday he does not expect Kerry to try to talk him into dropping out.

"I've known him for many years," Nader said. "I wouldn't ask him to do that if I were in his place. We all have an equal right to run for president in this country. And we should respect that, and compete, and see who does best by the voters in this country."

Some recent polls have shown Nader drawing 5 percent of voters surveyed or more and find a Bush-Kerry race is closer without him as a third candidate. But the independent candidate said Sunday that he could cost Bush more votes than Kerry if he stayed in the race.

"The members of the party out of power come back to the fold," Nader said. "There are a lot of conservatives, liberals, Republicans and independents who are furious with George W. Bush over deficits, over the sovereignty-shredding effect of WTO [World Trade Organization] and NAFTA [North American Free Trade Agreement], over corporate crime that's not being cracked down on and especially over all these taxpayer subsidies to corporations. Those are the people I'm going to try to appeal to."

During his trip to Atlanta, Nader met privately with Shawn O'Hara, chairman of the Reform Party USA, a successor to Ross Perot's third-party candidacy in 1992 and 1996.

Nader said he may run on that party's ticket in "an attempt to collaborate and not waste too many resources."

He said he may do it in some states but not nationally as Perot did, saying, "I'll still be an independent candidate."

Nader said in certain states such as North Carolina he is starting a Populist Party to take advantage of less stringent ballot qualifications for third parties.

He called for the federal government to set uniform rules for getting presidential candidates on the ballot in every state, calling laws "arbitrary and capricious."

CNN's Steve Brusk contributed to this report.

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Old 04-05-2004, 01:47 AM   #2
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After musing over this ideal meeting of like-minded men I've reached a few possible outcomes that would benefit both sides, while at the same time defeating Bush in the general election.

1) Kerry offers Nader the VP position, thus getting all of Nader's potential voters, yet repelling moderates that disagree with most of Nader's platform.

2) Kerry offers Nader a cabinet post should he win, if Nader drops out early.

3) Kerry agrees to support Nader's quest to participate in the debates with the condition that Nader will go easy on himself, while attacking Bush to the fullest extent. Since most people agree that Kerry is a career politician and that it would be hypocritical for him to criticize Bush's ethics, Nader would be the scapegoat and should the election appear too close to call in the final weeks, he'll drop out and ask his supporters to vote for Kerry. This will allow Nader to express his message, while hurting Bush more than Kerry and therefore help either his chances or Kerry's.

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Old 04-05-2004, 02:14 AM   #3
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The best thing about the article is that CNN felt it nessecary to put in brackets what the WTO and NAFTA mean. Come on if you dont know now then are you really that intrested in politics?
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Interesting. My two younger sisters voted for Nader in 2000. I wonder what they think of this? I'll have to ask.
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I like your number three scenario danospano (though i don't know how likely it is), it would be the most entertaining presidential debate ever, imo.
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Old 05-22-2004, 01:49 AM   #6
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Update: They met and aside from touching on the issues of the economy and Iraq, Nader supposedly mentioned his main desire was to participate in the debates. Looks like Option "3" is the most realistic.
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Old 05-22-2004, 02:13 AM   #7
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I thought it was interesting they met this week and that the Friday news reports Kerry will defer the Democratic nomination until a couple months later...

I wonder if anything could happen between now and then, such that Kerry might decide not to run for Democratic Party after all... or a new Democratic player might enter late in the game.... It kinda makes for interesting speculation, one must say.
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From what I understand, Kerry is only allowed to spend the federal assigned budget (still 75 million dollar) once he's an official presidential candidate. Until that time he may spend as much as he want, all that he's raised during the primaries.
The Democratic Convention is one month earlier than the Republican one. Should Kerry accept the nomination at the convention, then he has to use the 75 million for an extra month compared to Bush. He wants to start with equal cash, hence holding off the nomination for a month.

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Old 05-23-2004, 03:52 PM   #9
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Personally I'd like to see Kerry spice things up... Nader VP... McCain VP!

Yes, that probably would alienate the democrats and voters... but this is an unconventional election, requiring unconventional means.

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