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Old 11-16-2005, 07:28 PM   #16
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Where does this end?

Will free speech and free expression
be eventually banned?

I was never told I live in world where I will never be offended.

*just a Liberatrian who sees all this stuff as kind of scary*
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Old 11-16-2005, 10:52 PM   #17
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What next, go after beloved childrens characters like Golliwog and Little Black Sambo?
Actually, they already have...
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I think a lot of people forget that white people used to amuse themselves with tons of racist songs, products, etc. I don't know if white people 100+ years ago were pathological or just plain stupid, but that's what they did to amuse themselves. Most interestingly, this part of history has pretty much been erased from any mention at all, which is often why I think we have these little conflicts once in a while: the minorities still remember, but the white people are clueless. But that's really why two of the most momentous moments in film history--"Birth of a Nation" (first full length film) and "The Jazz Singer" (first film with live sound)--are both blatantly racist.

And Jesus Christ...all "Little Black Sambo" needs is a watermelon and he fits every early 20th century racist stereotype.

http://www.sterlingtimes.co.uk/sambo.htm

Just imagine if a "beloved children's character" was some stupid white trash from Alabama who beat his wife and got drunk on the front porch while singing self-deprecating songs celebrating his laziness? That's the equivalent of a lot of this stuff.

But, considering the lack of empathy in this world, I really wish something like that existed. Maybe then white people wouldn't be so quick to defend cultural antiquities that offend other races and cultures.

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What next, go after beloved childrens characters like Golliwog and Little Black Sambo?
Oh and here's the history of "Golliwog." Not so "beloved" at all, really.

http://www.ferris.edu/htmls/news/jimcrow/golliwog/

It's a product of that racist merchandising era of the late 19th and early 20th century that I was referring to. The political climate, all around, was downright racist and offensive. I'm very glad I wasn't a black person in those days.

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My sister and I, my black sister, we used to put on mum's Harry Belafonte records and sing this song. We'd alternate bobbing up and down like something that bobs up and down. We'd also sing about sailing off into a Jamaican sunset. She's not entirely Jamaican, more Trinidad & Tobago, but who cares when you're 8? Or 28?

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To you all that don't see the reason why someone is offended, let me ask you this;

Years from now, you go to an elementary school play of your grandchild's, and you hear them singing a misogynist song from today, or a gay bashing song from today, or a song about the Christian taliban will you just sit there?
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Old 11-17-2005, 01:43 AM   #22
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Oh lordddd pick a bale of cotton
Oh lordddd pick a bale a day

The White Stripes snippet that song
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To you all that don't see the reason why someone is offended, let me ask you this;

Years from now, you go to an elementary school play of your grandchild's, and you hear them singing a misogynist song from today, or a gay bashing song from today, or a song about the Christian taliban will you just sit there?
I get offended by Christian rock anyway.
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To you all that don't see the reason why someone is offended, let me ask you this;

Years from now, you go to an elementary school play of your grandchild's, and you hear them singing a misogynist song from today, or a gay bashing song from today, or a song about the Christian taliban will you just sit there?
You are so right.
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To you all that don't see the reason why someone is offended, let me ask you this;

Years from now, you go to an elementary school play of your grandchild's, and you hear them singing a misogynist song from today, or a gay bashing song from today, or a song about the Christian taliban will you just sit there?
And there may be some who are offended. That is not the issue. The article address the response to the taken offense.

I suspected that we would get back to one of our three favorite topics in FYM. As for the example of offending Christians: it happens today, Christians object to the offending material, and FYM ridicules the Christians as overly sensative or dismiss the item as "non-offensive".

So, with the question of "what is the appropriate response?" - should we let one family change what a school presents?
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What are all the lyrics to the song? Is it truly racist? As I said, members of my own family were cotton pickers, and this was within the last 100 years as well. Does it really glorify slavery?
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I suspected that we would get back to one of our three favorite topics in FYM.
Well sometimes it's the only way to have some in here empathize at all with the circumstance. It's a sad fact.

And I'm not suggesting you, just an overall observation I've noticed about FYM.

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So, with the question of "what is the appropriate response?" - should we let one family change what a school presents?
It depends on the merit of the issue.

Rosa Parks, was just one person. Now I'm not saying it's the same thing.

But the point is when does tradition need to be analyzed? Out of all the folk songs, why are we still singing one rooted in racism? I think that's the question we should be asking rather than, was the response appropriate.

I think it's far too easy for the majority to say this is how it's been, "no one's got hurt", which I hear in here ALL the time. Rather than analyze the real issue.
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What are all the lyrics to the song? Is it truly racist? As I said, members of my own family were cotton pickers, and this was within the last 100 years as well. Does it really glorify slavery?

[performed lyrics]

oh lord, pick a bail of cotton
oh lord, pick a bail a day
oh lord, pick a bail of cotton
oh lord, pick a bail a day
jump down shake around pick a bail of cotton
jump down shake around pick a bail a day
jump down shake around pick a bail of cotton
jump down shake around pick a bail a day
me and my buddy pick a bail of cotton
me and my buddy pick a bail a day
me and my buddy pick a bail of cotton
me and my buddy pick a bail a day

[official lyrics]

Jump down, turn around to pick a bale of cotton
Jump down, turn around to pick a bale a day.
cho: Oh Lordy, pick a bale of cotton,
Oh Lordy, pick a bale a day.
That nigger from Shiloh can pick a bale of cotton
That nigger from Shiloh can pick a day.
Me and my gal can pick etc.
Me and my wife etc.
Me and my buddy etc.
Me and my poppa etc.
Takes a might big man to etc.
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Does anyone know of the source of the song? Was it sung by slave masters as they observed the cotton picking? Was it sung by slaves? There may be something positive we can learn from the song and its origins.
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[performed lyrics]

oh lord, pick a bail of cotton
oh lord, pick a bail a day
oh lord, pick a bail of cotton
oh lord, pick a bail a day
jump down shake around pick a bail of cotton
jump down shake around pick a bail a day
jump down shake around pick a bail of cotton
jump down shake around pick a bail a day
me and my buddy pick a bail of cotton
me and my buddy pick a bail a day
me and my buddy pick a bail of cotton
me and my buddy pick a bail a day

[official lyrics]

Jump down, turn around to pick a bale of cotton
Jump down, turn around to pick a bale a day.
cho: Oh Lordy, pick a bale of cotton,
Oh Lordy, pick a bale a day.
That nigger from Shiloh can pick a bale of cotton
That nigger from Shiloh can pick a day.
Me and my gal can pick etc.
Me and my wife etc.
Me and my buddy etc.
Me and my poppa etc.
Takes a might big man to etc.

ahhhhhh i see thanks
interesting.


It was probably sung by the slaves, as they often sang to pass time, and many of their songs had code to diss the master or pass along news about escapes and such.
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