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Old 09-14-2006, 12:29 PM   #106
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Let me as you something Irvine. Let's say a highschool group wants to create a christian club in school or have a time for prayer that does not interfere with class should they have a right too? Or do you think the ACLU and school district ban this group. I am sure they would be banned due to seperation of church and state.

Now if Muslims did the same and since we are in Sensitive times I am sure it would be allowed.
And how would that be state-sponsored religion?

I know this was addressed at Irvine, but I can't help but notice the similarities between your hypothetic statement and the Fellowship of Christian Athletes.
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Your signature is entirely hateful and the mods should remove it. I remember when I was freaking crucified for even mentioning Hilter. But not it's ok. Bush and his ilk are the fascist in the world.
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http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003957.htm

(following the muslim religon learning about islam) I don't think they teach world history in Elementary school??)

ACLU to Defend NAMBLA

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Aug. 31, 2000

BOSTON -- The American Civil Liberties Union will represent a group that advocates sex between men and boys in a lawsuit brought by the family of a slain 10-year-old.

The family of Jeffrey Curley of Cambridge said the North American Man/Boy Love Association and its web site which is now off-line incited the attempted molestation and murder of the boy on Oct. 1, 1997.

One of two men convicted in the killing, Charles Jaynes, 25, reportedly viewed the group's web site shortly before the killing, and also had in his possession some of NAMBLA's publications. Also convicted in the killing was 24-year-old Salvatore Sicari.

The ACLU said the case, filed in federal court in mid-May, involves issues of freedom of speech and association.

"For us, it is a fundamental First Amendment case," John Roberts, executive director of the Massachusetts branch of the ACLU, told Boston Globe Wednesday. "It has to do with communications on a web site, and material that does not promote any kind of criminal behavior whatsoever."

ACLU officials said NAMBLA members deny encouraging coercion, rape or violence.

Attorney Lawrence Frisoli, who represents the Curleys, said he is glad the ACLU is defending NAMBLA, because he has had trouble locating the group's members.

Harvey Silverglate, an ACLU board member, said Wednesday that the group's attorneys will try to block any attempt by the Curleys to get NAMBLA's membership lists, or other materials identifying members.

The ACLU also will act as a surrogate for NAMBLA, allowing its members to defend themselves in court while remaining anonymous.

According to the Globe, NAMBLA officials in the past have said their main goal is the abolition of age-of-consent laws that classify sex with children as rape.

At two separate trials last year, prosecutors said Jaynes and Sicari were sexually obsessed with the boy, lured him from his Cambridge neighborhood with the promise of a new bike, and then smothered him with a gasoline-soaked rag when he resisted their sexual advances. They then stuffed him into a concrete-filled container and dumped it into a Maine river.

Sicari, convicted of first-degree murder, is serving a life sentence without the possibility of parole. Jaynes' second-degree murder and kidnapping convictions enable him to seek parole in 23 years.

The Curleys last week were awarded $328 million by a superior court jury in a civil suit against Jaynes and Sicari.

Copyright (c) 2000 The Associated Press

The ACLU's ongoing war on Christianity reached absurd levels when it announced its plans to sue the mayor of Inglis, Florida for denouncing Satan. When the resident who complained about the mayor's proclamation declined to sue, the ACLU announced it would move forward with the suit anyway.

The ACLU has filed a brief with a Kansas state appeals court arguing that the state's sexual age of consent laws should be lowered to 13 years of age. This request comes as the ACLU is defending 18-year old homosexual Matthew Limon, who was convicted of sexually assaulting a mentally disabled 14-year old boy.

The Colorado ACLU sent a formal request to Elbert County Charter School, requesting that all references to Christmas be removed from all school functions. The ACLU even demanded that children be stopped from singing secular songs, such as "Jingle Bells", which have no reference to God.

Christmas is no longer celebrated as a national holiday in most public schools in America. Government Schools now tend to refer to Christmas as a "winter festival".

After succeeding in halting a tradition of prayer at the Virgina Military Institute, the ACLU is now threatening the Naval Academy at Annapolis.

The ACLU sued the city of San Diego for allowing the Boy Scouts to lease city property for meetings. In the suit, the ACLU charged that the Scout's positions on faith and homosexuality preclude them from entering into contractual agreements with a goverment entity. Judge Jones sided with the ACLU against the Scouts and ordered the city to nullify the lease agreements.

The Iowa Civil Liberties Union is suing the Cedar County administration officials regarding a nativity scene that rests on the courthouse lawn.

On Septemember 24, 2003, workers in a Custer County, Montana decided to settle a six-year battle with the ACLU and removed a monument of the Ten Commandments from the Custer County Courthouse lawn.

Attorny David Limbaugh reports that a teacher in a Houston middle school spotted two female students carrying Bibles. The teacher seized the Bible, threw them in the trash, exclaiming "this is garbage." Another teacher at this same school confiscated book covers that contained the Ten Commandments and threw them in the trash saying the Ten Commandments were "hate speech"

In New York City's public schools, students can display a menorah for Hanukkah, a Muslim flag for Ramadan, but are forbidden from displaying a nativity scene in honor of Christmas.

U.S. District Court Judge Samuel B. Kent of the Southern District of Texas decreed that any student uttering the word "Jesus" would be arrested and tossed in jail for six months. He further warned: "And make no mistake, this court is going to have a United States marshal in attendance at the graduation. If any student offends this court, that student will be arrested and will face up to six months incarceration in the Galveston County Jail for contempt of court. Anyone who thinks I'm kidding about this order better think again...Anyone who violates these orders, no kidding. is going to wish that he or she had died when this court gets through with it."
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Your signature is entirely hateful and the mods should remove it. I remember when I was freaking crucified for even mentioning Hilter. But not it's ok. Bush and his ilk are the fascist in the world.
Would that Avatar piss you off if it was Bush?? probably not. Stop being a hypocrite.
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Not only is this inappropriate it's completely untrue.

I was wondering if you saw the students suspended for wearing 9/11 shirts thread? Sounds so America hating doesn't.

You know, you would get a lot more done, and perhaps even some credibility, if you didn't use such extreme hateful reactions.

Mock marriages? Death worshipping? America hating? These terms you use are bullshit.

Oh it also wouldn't hurt to use facts.
“I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the state itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class… Communism is the goal.”

- Roger Baldwin
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Obviously you didn't read the post. It is proper etiquette or has been i FYM not to compare Nazi's or Hitler.
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Let me as you something Irvine. Let's say a highschool group wants to create a christian club in school or have a time for prayer that does not interfere with class should they have a right too? Or do you think the ACLU and school district ban this group. I am sure they would be banned due to seperation of church and state.

Now if Muslims did the same and since we are in Sensitive times I am sure it would be allowed.


religious groups of any kind can meet after school, it's during designated school hours where it is ever a problem.

Wiccans can meet after school, so can Jews for Jesus, so can Muslims.
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“I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the state itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class… Communism is the goal.”

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hence, free speech.
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But Muslims pray what 5 times a day right. So wouldn't they get a special privilage and go to a seperate room to pray to Allah?
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hence, free speech.
And china sure shows that huh?
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But Muslims pray what 5 times a day right. So wouldn't they get a special privilage and go to a seperate room to pray to Allah?

how is that a special privilege?
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And china sure shows that huh?


good point -- China would never allow an ACLU equivalent.
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how is that a special privilege?
Well it's during school time so where is the seperation of church and state. Then Christians should be able to pray in class or budhhits should mediate etc.... during class right?
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Interracial marriage is a totally different issue. Your race is a proven concrete gene that you are born with.

You said it's never been changed, I proved to you it has, but continue to ignore the facts.
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Well it's during school time so where is the seperation of church and state. Then Christians should be able to pray in class or budhhits should mediate etc.... during class right?


many schools have a moment of silence before class -- pray if you want, or don't.

have you seen a muslim student get up in the middle of class and start to pray?
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