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Old 04-30-2005, 11:41 AM   #1
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Question of the Day: Homosexuality

I have noticed on these forums more than a few times posters accusing someone of being a bigot because of a stance/comment they made about homosexuality.

My question: do you believe it is possible for a person to believe that homosexuality is inherently wrong and not be a bigot?
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No. They're all bigots. I'm not going to sugar coat it, since I'm all about "absolute truth" these days. No wishy-washy relativism for me!

The question I can ask in response is whether it is possible for someone to believe that blacks or Jews are inherently evil and not be a bigot?

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Re: Question of the Day: Homosexuality

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My question: do you believe it is possible for a person to believe that homosexuality is inherently wrong and not be a bigot?
In my view, yes it is possible. They could just be stupid or brainwashed. They might not necessarily be a bigot.
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No wishy-washy relativism for me!
Yes it's about time we rooted out all this WISHY-WASHY RELATIVISM from the Church!
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I think being a homosexual is an aberration. It is not right, it is not natural. We've discussed this before plenty of times.

However, I am pro gay marriage and I have nothing against homosexuals as persons themselves.
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No. They're all bigots. I'm not going to sugar coat it, since I'm all about "absolute truth" these days. No wishy-washy relativism for me!

The question I can ask in response is whether it is possible for someone to believe that blacks or Jews are inherently evil and not be a bigot?

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No, it is not possible for someone to hate another because of their race/ethnicity and not be a bigot. But you and I both know there is much more ambiguity in the nature of homosexuality. We might talk like there isn't, but there is. I don't think it does anyone any good to argue that point.


By the way. I did not say "inherantly EVIL". I said inherantly WRONG.
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No, it is not possible for someone to hate another because of their race/ethnicity and not be a bigot. But you and I both know there is much more ambiguity in the nature of homosexuality. We might talk like there isn't, but there is. I don't think it does anyone any good to argue that point.
That's a pretty bigoted comment, if you ask me.

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By the way. I did not say "inherantly EVIL". I said inherantly WRONG.
And I said "evil," so I'm sticking to it.

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I think being a homosexual is an aberration. It is not right, it is not natural. We've discussed this before plenty of times.
Yeah, well, so is birth control and the rhythm method. And marriage, for that matter. You're supposed to fuck whomever is in your sight the minute you get horny. That's what the natural animals do. No fancy schmancy "marriage rituals" for them. And the females don't even enjoy it.

"Let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel."

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No, it is not possible for someone to hate another because of their race/ethnicity and not be a bigot. But you and I both know there is much more ambiguity in the nature of homosexuality. We might talk like there isn't, but there is.
Only at THIS POINT IN HISTORY. In previous times, it would have been considered absurd to say black people are equal to white people. Whites would have viewed themselves as superior, basically. Also, there were times and places in history were homosexuality was much more tolerated.
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That's a pretty bigoted comment, if you ask me.



And I said "evil," so I'm sticking to it.

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Shit. I forgot to put my "anti-antagonist" charm on this thread. Shit. Shit. Shit.


Seriously (if you are serious) why would my comment be bigoted. No one would argue that you are born "black" or born a Jew. There is well founded debate as to whether or not one is born homosexual.
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Seriously (if you are serious) why would my comment be bigoted. No one would argue that you are born "black" or born a Jew. There is well founded debate as to whether or not one is born homosexual.
Funny. It's bigotry that made "Jew" a race, rather than just a religion.

While a bunch of stuff-shirted heterosexuals reinvent the wheel, let the homosexual world tell you this bluntly: it is not chosen. It just happens. Fuck the "debate"; it's already been decided. But, yeah, as usual, we have to wait for WASP society to discover what we've already known for it to be determined as "knowledge."

It's like natural cures for ailments that Native Americans discovered centuries ago. When the white people "discover it," then they think they're so smart. No, the Native Americans discovered it first. Likewise, I think gay people know their own kind better than some smarmy hetero does.

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Yeah, well, so is birth control and the rhythm method. And marriage, for that matter. You're supposed to fuck whomever is in your sight the minute you get horny. That's what the natural animals do. No fancy schmancy "marriage rituals" for them. And the females don't even enjoy it.

"Let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel."

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So this is what we're suppossed to do now? Base our entire behaviour on animal mentalities? Come on, melon, I know you're capable of delivering awesome arguments sans any type of sarcasm that only hinders the argument itself.
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Funny. It's bigotry that made "Jew" a race, rather than just a religion.

While a bunch of stuff-shirted heterosexuals reinvent the wheel, let the homosexual world tell you this bluntly: it is not chosen. It just happens. Fuck the "debate"; it's already been decided. But, yeah, as usual, we have to wait for WASP society to discover what we've already known for it to be determined as "knowledge."

It's like natural cures for ailments that Native Americans discovered centuries ago. When the white people "discover it," then they think they're so smart. No, the Native Americans discovered it first. Likewise, I think gay people know their own kind better than some smarmy hetero does.

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Wow. I can tell this is a personal/touchy subject for you (as it is for me). Let me ask it on this level then. Do you know anyone who believes that homosexuality is wrong who you still have a positive/respectful/loving relationship with (assuming you are gay)?


BTW - I'm native american. That has always been one of my favorite jokes. Everytime I go someplace I haven't been before, I tell people I discovered it - just like Columbus "discovered" the Americas.

I discovered the Grand Canyon last week. Oh and Flagstaff. I am thinking about renaming "Flagstaff".
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In December 1973, the American Psychiatric Association's Board of Trustees deleted homosexuality from its official nomenclature of mental disorders, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Second Edition (DSMII). The action was taken following a review of the scientific literature and consultation with experts in the field. For a mental condition to be considered a psychiatric disorder, it should either regularly cause emotional distress or regularly be associated with clinically significant impairment of social functioning. These experts found that homosexuality does not meet these criteria.
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Whereas homosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgement, stability, reliability, or general social or vocational capabilities, the American Psychiatric Association calls on all international health organizations, and individual psychiatrists in other countries, to urge the repeal in their own country of legislation that penalizes homosexual acts by consenting adults in private. And further, the APA calls on these organizations and individuals to do all that is possible to decrease the stigma related to homosexuality wherever and whenever it may occur.
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So this is what we're suppossed to do now? Base our entire behaviour on animal mentalities?
You're the one who brought up the "natural" argument, and all I did was rip it apart to how meaningless that word is. Modern society is very artificial, all the way from clothes (nature determines that we should run around naked) to toilets (nature determines that we should shit in a hole in the ground) to food ("sodium benzoate"...do I plant seeds to grow that?) to soap (a relatively modern invention) to medicine (sick people should be dying like flies, even from common bacterial infections).

So then hetero society tries to play the "nature" card to berate homosexuals. Sorry...you abdicated that card centuries ago. You're all a bunch of walking artificalities.

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