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Old 02-28-2006, 02:10 PM   #16
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Have you ever actually lived in a fascist state?


is a "yeah, but it could be worse" defense of the current state of things really much of a defense at all?
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is a "yeah, but it could be worse" defense of the current state of things really much of a defense at all?
Not really a defense, but it does give perspective to the kinds of things Americans face and complain about vs. the kinds of things others face in the world.

If finding food was a daily priority or if we were refugees in our own country - we'd have less time to discuss policy nuances on the internet.
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Not really a defense, but it does give perspective to the kinds of things Americans face and complain about vs. the kinds of things others face in the world.

If finding food was a daily priority or if we were refugees in our own country - we'd have less time to discuss policy nuances on the internet.


i hear in Massachusettes they want to pass an amendment preventing Christians from adopting children.

but don't despair! if you were in Iran, you might be hanged for being a Christian. count your blessings!



how does that feel?
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Can I adopt children vs. will I eat today?

You tell me
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Can I adopt children vs. will I eat today?

You tell me


realizing that one is lucky to live in the US is quite different from the majority withholding rights from you and then saying, "come on now, it's not so bad, i know i'm not personally affected by your struggle, but i know it's worse somewhere else."

would you say that to a sharecropper? hey, at least you're not on a plantation anymore! sorry about all that, here's your 40 acres and a muel -- think of how good you've got it, not being in chains and getting beaten and all.
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If it was me who desperately wanted kids someday and knew there were significant forces out there working to cast me and my kind as unworthy of parenting kids who need love and a home, I don't think I'd be inclined to dismiss it as "policy nuances."
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You missed the point of my interjection - that of perspective. On a global scale, it is a complete luxury that we get to sit in comfortable office and have discussions withe people around the world through a nicely run web site.
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^ Exactly.

I'm sorry, but perhaps we should define terms like "fascist" before we start labelling people who disagree with us as such. Or spend time in countries like North Korea.
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^ Exactly.

I'm sorry, but perhaps we should define terms like "fascist" before we start labelling people who disagree with us as such. Or spend time in countries like North Korea.


or, what if you weren't labeling an entire society fascist, but were aware of fascist impulses within the society you live?

i don't think anyone is calling the US fascist.

but i do think there are fascist impulses within American politics, many of which are easy to dismiss when they don't affect you directly.
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North Korea is not a "fascist" state--I'll leave it to melon to explain why Blackwell and Dobson warrant the label, since no one else has explicitly made that argument. I must say, I don't recall anyone raising a comparable fuss when iron horse called the Baby Boomers "Gestapo" a few days back.

I still fail to see why the fact that most Americans live in relative material comfort should have any bearing at all on whether opposition to gay adoption is a serious political issue.
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I still fail to see why the fact that most Americans live in relative material comfort should have any bearing at all on whether opposition to gay adoption is a serious political issue.


i suppose it's upsetting when faggots get all uppity and in your face.
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i suppose it's upsetting when faggots get all uppity and in your face.
Absolutely. This upsets the fundie bunch big time.
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I still fail to see why the fact that most Americans live in relative material comfort should have any bearing at all on whether opposition to gay adoption is a serious political issue.
That was not the point being discussed. But, I guess issues can only be framed one way....
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That was not the point being discussed. But, I guess issues can only be framed one way....


it strikes me as precisely the issue being discussed.

simply because i am grateful for the fact that i have plenty to eat does not mean that i shouldn't be upset at powerful politicians who insinuate that i am by definition a child molestor and unfit to be around children.
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Have you ever actually lived in a fascist state?
Have you ever studied any? Because fascist states, contrary to what some here might think, aren't suffering from famine and malnutrition.

In fact, the majority usually love fascist/nationalist regimes. It's the scapegoated minorities who usually don't like it.

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