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Old 08-29-2002, 03:47 PM   #31
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lemon meringue, we are being NICE in free your mind.

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Why are you still asking this question after all this time? Wasn't our Electorial College system ever explained to you? Sarcasm perhaps?
not everyone is from the united states. and i wouldn't punish people outside of the u.s by teaching them about the electoral college.


now, zoomerang. to answer the original question
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btw, what kind of a democrazy allows someone into office when a different candidate had more votes?
uhh...american kind of democracy. i can't remember exactly why the electoral college was introduced, i'll look into that for you. i'm not sure if you're familiar with the electoral college (though my guess is that you are) but basically, the states with more people in it have more sway, so the states like ooo i dunno...south dakota get the royal shaft in being represented ('cept now cos senator daschle is majority leader).

in the present time the electoral college makes no sense, and hopefully we will get rid of it before the next debaucle of an election.
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Re: lemon meringue, we are being NICE in free your mind.

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not everyone is from the united states. and i wouldn't punish people outside of the u.s by teaching them about the electoral college.


now, zoomerang. to answer the original question

uhh...american kind of democracy. i can't remember exactly why the electoral college was introduced, i'll look into that for you. i'm not sure if you're familiar with the electoral college (though my guess is that you are) but basically, the states with more people in it have more sway, so the states like ooo i dunno...south dakota get the royal shaft in being represented ('cept now cos senator daschle is majority leader).

in the present time the electoral college makes no sense, and hopefully we will get rid of it before the next debaucle of an election.
Assuming that South Dakota has a fairly even distribution of Democratic and Republican votes, a South Dakotan's has more influence over the South Dakota electoral college than a Californian's vote has over the California electoral college, so that offsets California's edge in electoral college votes. (It is a shame that presidential candidates don't pay more attention to smaller states though.) (Then again, South Dakota has as many senators as California.) (Then again, Washington, D.C. has zero senators and representatives but still pays federal taxes.) (Then again, does a place that voted Marion Barry as mayor thrice deserve to have anybody in Congress?)

The more salient reason why the electoral college should be abolished is because a Republican's vote for President in, say, Massachusetts is completely worthless. (Ditto for a Democrat's vote for President in, say, Mississippi.)
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i was chatting about this situation with my mom last night, she came up with a really good point:

if the u.s can go and pre-emptively strike iraq without concrete evidence of their having wmd's, what stops iraq from striking the us pre-emptively?
This has been my reservation (and fear) all along. If the US is using an aggressive doctrine, what prevents Iraq from using the same doctrine. I fear, but I will not be surprised, that when Bush and Rumsfeld are increasing their threat to Iraq, Saddam will eventually start to attack US locations (as in terrorist attacks). This will be the result of copying the US doctrine (strike first before they can strike you) coupled with a feeling of being threathened.

When (not if, in the present situation) that attack comes (so as in Iraq being the first aggressor), then the US will get support for a war on Iraq (as the US got attacked first), but until then I think most of the other countries will adhere to the convention (whichever it was) not to attack countries without being attacked first. More and more countries are openly against a pre-emptive war on Iraq (Germany, France, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey and there will be a governmental crisis in the UK should Blair pledge his support).

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this worries me

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and there will be a governmental crisis in the UK should Blair pledge his support

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yeah, rule of thumb, when your best friend disapproves, it's just a bad idea. if we had the uk's support, the situation would change a bit, but not having their support makes me nervous.
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Big Grin sorry if i was crabby

Maybe I should have mentioned this instead. America is not a Democracy. It is a Constitutional Republic.

A Republic is a form of government under a constitution which provides for the election of (1) an executive and (2) a legislative body, who working together in a representative capacity, have all the power of appointment, all power of legislation, all power to raise revenue and appropriate expenditures, and are required to create (3) a judiciary to pass upon the justice and legality of their governmental acts and to recognize (4) certain inherent individual rights.


I hope that was informative.
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Maybe I should have mentioned this instead. America is not a Democracy. It is a Constitutional Republic.

A Republic is a form of government under a constitution which provides for the election of (1) an executive and (2) a legislative body, who working together in a representative capacity, have all the power of appointment, all power of legislation, all power to raise revenue and appropriate expenditures, and are required to create (3) a judiciary to pass upon the justice and legality of their governmental acts and to recognize (4) certain inherent individual rights.


I hope that was informative.
Very informative
re #4..does that allow Bear to call nice folk names?


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diamond, and others...i know what your electric co collage of things means. i just dont know hot to spell it off hand...

i know you have that too...its all that was ever on the news at the end of 2000.

diamond, i havent been comparing bush to hitler since the first post.

thanks to everyone for pointing that out in goodwill, but i do understand the system, and i also understand that the system is stupid.

but hey, its not like canadas system is perfect, and its not an easy task to create a perfect one either.
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A liberal called a conservative a name! That is offensive!!!

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diamond, welcome to the nicer fym

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Very informative
re #4..does that allow Bear to call nice folk names?


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does it allow diamond to call nice folk names? let's work on being nicer diamond. if you have a problem with the issue being discussed, please discuss the issue, not the perceived merits of the person posting it. thank you.

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A liberal called a conservative a name! That is offensive!!!

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does it allow diamond to call nice folk names? let's work on being nicer diamond. if you have a problem with the issue being discussed, please discuss the issue, not the perceived merits of the person posting it. thank you.

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Pt taken Lilly.
However, reviewing the thread I never called another Interfencer a name-
Not a-
dumbass
an idiot..ect.

I did take offense to one fellow making a correllation between Hitler and current President Of The United States
I will continue to post in a friendly manner.

For the record..I listen to ALL avenues of information..
consider all sides then make a decision on the polictical issues at hand.

Lastly I worked on The Bush Campaign and worked VERY HARD to stuff those damn ballot boxes in Florida that one night

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This is an example your lameness reaching new heights.
Good job.
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Originally posted by Zoomerang96 what are you talking about diamond? , you dumbass.
you both succeeded in taking this thread into personal attacks.

i understand that you, diamond, support president bush, but if his administration/policies/decisions come under attack, i ask that you please provide why you don't accept what is being posted about. educate us on what you see bush doing, then we can have more progression.

bear, it was also inappropriate for you to bring it to a personal level, keep it to the issue, not to the people posting.

bama, i hope you realize that fym is NOT a one way street, it's just that i noticed diamond's first.

let 's keep this thread and fym nice, so that we can keep fym.

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i love diamond, just in this thread anything goes. hes been quite grown up about everything, though we both have said stupid things.

i doubt he'll hold them against me, and i know im not upset about him questioning my merit.

u2bama on the other hand MIGHT be a guito. it would be worthwhile to investigate in the matter.
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we just don't want so much negativity

i know that you know one another, but we want to keep fym friendly. that's all.

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