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Old 01-11-2006, 06:55 PM   #16
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Sounds like you've described the general public's hunger for art.


a natural side effect in a society where businessmen are worshipped and artists are mocked for daring to rock the boat.
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Sounds like you've described the general public's hunger for art.
People have all sorts of misconceptions when it comes to government funding of the arts. Yes, we get a grant from the NEA. But we also have grants from about 15 companies, I can't remember the exact number. One of these, the Alabama Gas Co, Engergen, bought one of my paintings in April of last year and donated 5,000 to the studio. For every public dollar for art funding, there are about $15 privately donated contributions. So it's not like you're "paying for art", as some people think.
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Old 01-11-2006, 09:57 PM   #19
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Regardless, the amount funded to the NEA is miniscule when compared to the total amount the government spends each year. You'd probably get more saving slashing the salaries, benefits, and pensions of congressmen. After all, if everyone else is being told to do with less, why can't our elected officials? Maybe they should also be contributing to their health care costs and pension plans like everyone else.

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however, ALL support for the arts should be commended.

yet, corporate support makes me a bit nervous -- that might put pressure on the artist to make work that is pleasing to the intended audience, perhaps even propagandize for the corporate client, and if one is creating art for the corporation, it cannot offend the sensibilities of the corporation. corporations can censor in ways that our government could never, ever dream. there are checks and balances on governmental power that corporate america never has to deal with.
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Valid concerns, but there are certain hurdles to clear. First, the degree, if any, of prior restraint imposed by a corporation. Contributions may be funneled through an independent commission or foundation. Second, to the extent there is corporate influence, the influence is not necessarily aligned. Arguably, toy would have a multitude of influence - potentially increasing diversity in art.
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yet, corporate support makes me a bit nervous -- that might put pressure on the artist to make work that is pleasing to the intended audience, perhaps even propagandize for the corporate client,
the problem is that it´s the same with state support. that goes very far... 20 years ago, when you were in a band, you could be in the socialist party or in the conservative party: if you were a member of the socialists, you could play gigs (really!!) in the "red" districts (the districts of Vienna with socialist majority), and if you were a member of the conservatives, you could not play in red districts but in the black ones (with conservative majority) and vice versa.

ok, that has changed, but still, you know..

however,. there are very independent artists everywhere, be it in Austria, in the U.S. or the rest of the world, and they will never adjust their art to the wishes of economy or politicians. it is the artist´s duty (if you want to see it like that) to stay free from such influences, not the corporations or the politicians one - sure they want to buy what they can..
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the problem is that it´s the same with state support. that goes very far... 20 years ago, when you were in a band, you could be in the socialist party or in the conservative party: if you were a member of the socialists, you could play gigs (really!!) in the "red" districts (the districts of Vienna with socialist majority), and if you were a member of the conservatives, you could not play in red districts but in the black ones (with conservative majority) and vice versa.


i think things might be a little bit different over here, but i still think that if a state-funded artist was pressured to make, say, Pro-Labor art by politicians, he could and would raise a stink over it, and would gain lots of attention and support since no one wants the government to tell artists what they can and cannot make.

however, if an artist were to complain by saying that such-and-such a corporation threatened to revoke his funding if he, say, created art that was, say, critical of oil companies, then your average citizen might just say, "well, gosh, ya can't blame 'em! it's a corporation! of course the only thing that should ever matter to a corporation is the bottom line, the only reason corporations exist is for the benefit of the shareholders."
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i think things might be a little bit different over here, but i still think that if a state-funded artist was pressured to make, say, Pro-Labor art by politicians, he could and would raise a stink over it, and would gain lots of attention and support since no one wants the government to tell artists what they can and cannot make.

however, if an artist were to complain by saying that such-and-such a corporation threatened to revoke his funding if he, say, created art that was, say, critical of oil companies, then your average citizen might just say, "well, gosh, ya can't blame 'em! it's a corporation! of course the only thing that should ever matter to a corporation is the bottom line, the only reason corporations exist is for the benefit of the shareholders."
that´s true.
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