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Old 06-19-2004, 09:41 AM   #46
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I was a pro-war person. Sting was a pro-war person.

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[Q]Not according to some of the pro-war folk who post on Interference. Some here have been insistent on such linkage since the beginning of the invasion of Iraq but they are thinking with their hearts and not their heads. [/Q]

I want to know who they are, because I am pretty sure neither of us has made such a statement. That is the problem with hiding behind a blanket statement I guess, we will never know.
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Old 06-19-2004, 09:49 AM   #47
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There were obviousely conservatives who were pro war but i don't think conservatives and "pro war people" are an identical group.
I'm unsure who calls himself conservative, liberal or democrat on this board but in public many democrats supported that war and some conservatives oposed it. So i guess it could have bin the same here.

Maybe an interesting FYM poll

[] Did you support the war and do you call yourself conservative
[] Did you support the war and do you feel you're a democrat
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Old 06-19-2004, 10:05 AM   #49
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I appreciate your dilligence, but no-where did I say that Iraq was linked to 9-11. Isn't that what the 9-11 commission is taking about.

Yes, I believe Iraq was linked to terrorism,,,,I think you would have to be blind to not see that they were.

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And while I make a reference to no links between OSama and Iraq, I do not think I have ever argued for war based on any connection that existed. Again that was the point made by Pub Crawler.

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And finally, the 911 commission also acknowledges that there was realtionship but not an operational one to carryout 911. Not much different than my statement in that thread.
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Putting aside who said what and when here on the forum, to me, it's pretty obvious that the administration is dishonest to the bone when it comes to this issue.

Millions of dollars were spent investigating Bill Clinton's definition of the word "sex."

Yet, Cheney et al. make deliberately misleading and insinuating statements regarding the connections between Iraq and bin Laden and they are excused based on semantics. That makes about zero sense to me, but here we are.
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Old 06-19-2004, 11:57 AM   #51
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Putting aside who said what and when here on the forum, to me, it's pretty obvious that the administration is dishonest to the bone when it comes to this issue.
It all depends on how you look at it. I have yet to find a quote in which the administration said Iraq was involved in 911. I believe they were involved in terrorism. I heard the President declare war on terrorism. It seems pretty logical to me.


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Millions of dollars were spent investigating Bill Clinton's definition of the word "sex."
That isn't exactly the truth. Bill Clinton lied in his deposition during a case in which he was being sued for sexual harassment. If he had not lied from the beginning, there would have been no investigation. If people in the armed forces lose rank, pay, and jobs over the same thing, then why should the president get away with it?



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Yet, Cheney et al. make deliberately misleading and insinuating statements regarding the connections between Iraq and bin Laden and they are excused based on semantics. That makes about zero sense to me, but here we are.

I would say to you, do you not believe that Iraq was involved in terrorism? Is Putin lying that they were planning attacks in the US? Didn't Saddam attempt to assasinate former President Bush?

I am sorry, but, the linkage to 911 is not important to me. I never thought they were connected other than by the fact that Al-QAEDA was trynig to hurt the US because we had been forced by Iraq to keep a military presence there.
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There is terrorism and there is al Qaeda terrorism. What has Saddam's assassination of Bush have to do with bin Laden?

The point is that you may not care about 9/11 and Saddam, but when the majority of your country believes that the majority of hijackers were Iraqi (proven by multiple polls, over and over again) and the VP of your country continuously insinuates a connection between the two, then you've got a problem.

How do you think that the majority of Americans came to believe that Atta and his gang were Iraqi? Did they just wake up one morning and pull that out of their ass? Are they all ignorant fools or is there a reason why they were collectively lead to this conclusion?
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What's interesting is that immediately after September 11th, only 3% of Americans believed that Saddam Hussein or Iraq were responsible for the attacks. By the time the war began some polls put the number of Americans believing Saddam was involved in September 11th at above 50%. Interesting.
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Old 06-19-2004, 03:22 PM   #54
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I do not believe that the average American cares if Iraq were involved in 9/11 or not. The fact is, the President called this a war on terrorism. If the President were to remain true to his initial statements after 9/11 and make it a war on terrorism, Iraq was a target for multiple reasons, their involvement in other forms of terrorism being one of them.

Polls demonstrate that the average American has NOT done their homework.
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Old 06-19-2004, 03:26 PM   #55
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Anitram, I have never seen any poll indicating that Americans felt Atta was an Iraqi.

Do you have a link to such a poll?

[Q]The Sept. 11 commission's staff report said there had been contact between Iraqis and al Qaeda members including a Sudan meeting between al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and Iraqi intelligence officers.

But the panel concluded that Iraq never responded to a bin Laden request for help and said there was no evidence of a "collaborative relationship." [/Q]
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Old 06-19-2004, 03:31 PM   #56
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I do not believe that the average American cares if Iraq were involved in 9/11 or not.
I also don't think the average American cares about anything really.

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The quote I am questioning is Pub Crawler who says that members of this FORUM have put forward this view. I am wondering WHAT members of the forum have put forward this view.
I find it curious, Dread, that you seem to take my words as a personal indictment of you. I didn't name any names, and I'm not going to spend a lot of time poring through threads to find posts where people have made statements that seem to reflect the idea behind our blessed President's deceitful rhetoric concerning the Iraq-9/11 linkage issue. (It is clear that you and I disagree on the notion of President Bush being deceitful in this manner).

That said, since you asked, I did do a bit of searching and found a couple of "joke" threads that illustrate my point. One of them was posted by you: http://forum.interference.com/t85843.html

I'm curious, Dread, what was your point in posting that thread?

And what was your point in posting the Osama/Sadaam cartoon earlier in this thread?

By the way, here's the other "joke" thread, posted by my old friend diamond: http://forum.interference.com/showth...threadid=74073
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I was a pro-war person. Sting was a pro-war person.

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[Q]Not according to some of the pro-war folk who post on Interference. Some here have been insistent on such linkage since the beginning of the invasion of Iraq but they are thinking with their hearts and not their heads. [/Q]

I want to know who they are, because I am pretty sure neither of us has made such a statement. That is the problem with hiding behind a blanket statement I guess, we will never know.
Oh, so you and Sting are the only "pro war" people posting on Interference? I don't think so, Dread. Many people of all different political stripes -- including "pro war" folk -- have come, made a few posts and gone in the last 2 years.
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And by the way, I don't believe that Sting has made any comments linking Iraq/Sadaam to 9/11. In fact in my search I read a post where he made it very clear that he did not believe that there was any such linkage.
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I know Paul McCartney has recently come out not in favor of the war, citing he was misled that Iraq had ties with 9/11.
Also said, he won't perfom the song "Freedom" anymore.
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