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Old 06-18-2004, 02:27 PM   #31
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There are MORE credible links between Saddam and Rumsfeld, Cheney, Halibuton.
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Helping the large percentage of Americans who believe that Saddam was involved with 9/11 keep their heads buried in the sand. No facts, please.

The 9/11 commission based their findings on, among other sources, interviews with/interrogations of caputred top al-Qaeda operatives. Thus they were able to reconstruct the events leading up to the attacks with pretty surprsing detail. They were also told from these operatives that Saddam and al-Qaeda did not work together. I don't understand why they would lie about that after giving up all of that useful information about their operations.
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This probably doesn't really belong in this thread, sorry..but I just read this on CNN.com, in an article about Clinton's book..

"In his book, Clinton also said he met with President-elect George W. Bush and told him that the biggest threat to the nation's security was Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida. According to Clinton, Bush said little in response, and then switched subjects."

I don't know when that meeting happened, maybe the date is in the book

Hmmm..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5233810/
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Old 06-18-2004, 05:47 PM   #34
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I am still waiting for some evidence that "pro-war" people were in fact saying Saddam was linked to 9/11.

I am betting there is as much evidence of that as there is "pro-war" people said the food for oil program was a good thing.

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Information From a grand jury indictment brought in court by the CLINTON administration:

[Q]Additionally, the indictment states that Al Qaeda reached an agreement
with Iraq not to work against the regime of Saddam Hussein and that
they would work cooperatively with Iraq, particularly in weapons
development.
[/Q]

Why oh why does everyone feel this is just a PROBLEM that this administration had. You do realize that the people who worked in the FBI and the CIA and other agencies do not leave when a new president arrives. This country, republican administration and democratic administration believed they were working together on some level.

http://www.fas.org/irp/news/1998/11/98110602_nlt.html
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The problem I have is that the 9/11 Commission found no credible evidence for a collaborative link between Iraq and al-Qaeda, yet Bush and Cheney are continuing to insist that there was one. They testified before the commission. If they had evidence of a collaboration then they should have made it available.

Regarding the grand jury indictment from 1998, that's nice, but not really conclusive. As the old saying goes, a prosecutor could indict a ham sandwich if he or she chose to. In a grand jury proceeding prosecutors don't have to present exculpatory evidence. Besides, can we really count on intelligence from 98 to still be current and valid today? Yellowcake from Niger, anyone?
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Interesting....I have yet to see that they claim they collaborated on 9/11. They have claimed there were connections between them, and the commission clarified itself today saying that that in fact was true.

But, I will defer to the injection of politics into this.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dreadsox
[B]I am still waiting for some evidence that "pro-war" people were in fact saying Saddam was linked to 9/11.
QUOTE]

Are you serious? Just take a swim through some past threads in here and see how many times 9/11 was brought when speaking about going to war with Iraq.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar
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I am still waiting for some evidence that "pro-war" people were in fact saying Saddam was linked to 9/11.
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Are you serious? Just take a swim through some past threads in here and see how many times 9/11 was brought when speaking about going to war with Iraq.
I am serious. I have very few recollections of anyone saying there was a direct connection between Iraq, Al-Qaeda, and 9/11.

I have seen the argument that WMD falling into the wrong hands was important. But that does not equal 9/11 assistance.

So yes, I am serious.
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Interesting....I have yet to see that they claim they collaborated on 9/11. They have claimed there were connections between them, and the commission clarified itself today saying that that in fact was true.

But, I will defer to the injection of politics into this.
This is what Lee Hamilton, the vice chairman of the commission, said about Bush and Cheney's satements.

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"The president talks in terms of a relationship between the two. The vice president talks in terms of a tie between the two. We talk in terms of contacts between the two," he added.

"All of those words are similar, but clearly relationship and ties suggest more than contacts."
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I am serious. I have very few recollections of anyone saying there was a direct connection between Iraq, Al-Qaeda, and 9/11.

I have seen the argument that WMD falling into the wrong hands was important. But that does not equal 9/11 assistance.

So yes, I am serious.
I'm too tired to do a search right now but there were posts where people posted online polls that showed somewhere between 40-60 percent of people believed their were Iraqis flying the planes on 9/11, there were quotes from several people of this administration, and many members here who used the argument of 9/11 to go into Iraq.
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Yep. I talked to people on other boards and stuff who connected the two as well. And when I was at an anti-war rally as the Iraq war was getting ready to start, a guy yelled at me that I had no respect for the people who died in the Twin Towers (...). So people definitely did connect the two out there.

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Old 06-18-2004, 10:26 PM   #42
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The quote I am questioning is Pub Crawler who says that members of this FORUM have put forward this view. I am wondering WHAT members of the forum have put forward this view.
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Dread is on the money, I cannot recall any "pro-war" people saying that there was a link between 9/11 and Saddam Hussein, there was certainly linkage between the regime and Al Qaeda from the intelligence we allready know. We may also be forgetting the '93 trade center bombing where there were some serious questions that involve Iraqi intelligence in the plot.
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Old 06-19-2004, 09:26 AM   #44
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And I am still waiting.....

I hate it when people make broad sweeping statements about the more conservative members of the forum.

Oh well the wheels keep spinning round and round.
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Dread: you think the "more conservative memebers" are the same group like the "pro-war people"?
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