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Old 08-25-2004, 06:39 AM   #136
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Thanks for the apology, but perhaps in future you could try to find other sources, I personally find NYT and BBC to be a little biased in their reporting of such events. Also the whole registration thing is something I dont want to get into.
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Old 08-25-2004, 05:56 PM   #137
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A-Wanderer, here's the report. Bias-free.

http://news.findlaw.com/wp/docs/dod/abughraibrpt.pdf

And if you're not into registering for stuff, why not use BugMeNot?
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Old 08-26-2004, 04:50 AM   #138
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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/26/op...thurs1.html?th

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For anyone with the time to wade through 400-plus pages and the resources to decode them, the two reports issued this week on the Abu Ghraib prison are an indictment of the way the Bush administration set the stage for Iraqi prisoners to be brutalized by American prison guards, military intelligence officers and private contractors.

The Army's internal investigation, released yesterday, showed that the torture of prisoners at Abu Ghraib went far beyond the actions of a few sadistic military police officers - the administration's chosen culprits. It said that 27 military intelligence soldiers and civilian contractors committed criminal offenses, and that military officials hid prisoners from the Red Cross. Another report, from a civilian panel picked by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, offers the dedicated reader a dotted line from President Bush's decision to declare Iraq a front in the war against terror, to government lawyers finding ways to circumvent the Geneva Conventions, to Mr. Rumsfeld's bungled planning of the occupation and understaffing of the ground forces in Iraq, to the hideous events at Abu Ghraib prison.

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The panel was right in criticizing General Sanchez for not appreciating the scope of the disaster, but it made only the most glancing reference to the bigger problem: the Iraqi occupation force was too small. And that was a policy approved by Mr. Bush and designed by Mr. Rumsfeld, who wanted a lightning invasion by the sparest force possible, based on the ludicrous notion that Iraqis would not resist.

Still, the civilian panel said the politicians had only indirect responsibility for this mess, and Mr. Schlesinger made the absurd argument that firing Mr. Rumsfeld would aid "the enemy." That is reminiscent of the comment Mr. Bush made last spring when he visited the Pentagon to view images of American soldiers torturing Iraqi prisoners and then announced that Mr. Rumsfeld was doing a "superb job." It may not be all that surprising from a commission appointed by the secretary of defense and run by two former secretaries of defense (Mr. Schlesinger and Harold Brown). But it seems less a rational assessment than an attempt to cut off any further criticism of the men at the top.
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Old 08-26-2004, 05:07 AM   #139
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Thanks ThatGuy, I shall respond to this thread when I have chewed through it, should take me until saturday (I have a report to finish, uhhhh).
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