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Old 01-13-2005, 12:56 PM   #31
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You're right. I almost forgot we still have Kings, Princes and subjects. In that light it was a really stupid thing to do. Chalk it up to youthful indiscretion
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Pothead Harry makes the news again. Ahh, the beauty of monarchy. A case of jealousy on his brother William, who will take the crown? Somebody needs attention, oh wah.
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If I may add on, this reminds me of Death To Smoochy. Anyone remember that movie?
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Though to be fair, I feel I have been very unforgiving and perhaps too critical. Its not his fault to begin with - its in his genes to be socially maladroit and culturally retarded; his grandfather and father are absolutely no better.

I apologise for beating a dead donkey over this issue - but, as one of the ministers said of the Royal family just after the American Revolution, 'The Americans managed to get rid of them, why can't we?!'

Stupid. All of them.

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P.S - The Royals, not Americans.
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Haha! Great movie, Macfistowannabe. But if you ask me, Smoochy had it coming for being such a goody-goody.

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This is just a stupid as some white fraternity members here at a local university who thought that wearing black face to a party was a great idea.
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UK's Harry Rules Out Auschwitz Visit in Nazi Row

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By Jeremy Laurence

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain's Prince Harry on Thursday ruled out visiting Auschwitz as atonement for wearing a Nazi uniform at a party just two weeks before the 60th anniversary of the death camp's liberation.


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Jewish groups had demanded the 20-year-old grandson of Queen Elizabeth make the symbolic gesture as a way of apologizing for wearing a swastika armband and an army shirt with Nazi regalia at a costume party on Saturday.


The prince has apologized for his "mistake" but Jewish rights groups and politicians said he should do more.


"This was a shameful act displaying insensitivity for the victims, not just for those soldiers of his own country who gave their lives to defeat Nazism but to the victims of the Holocaust ..." said Rabbi Marvin Hier, dean of the U.S.-based Simon Wiesenthal Center.


He added in a statement: "We strongly urge Prince Harry to accompany the British delegation on January 27th to the Auschwitz death camp to commemorate 60 years since liberation. There he will see the results of the hated symbol he so foolishly and brazenly chose to wear."


A royal official said he understood the calls for the prince to go to Auschwitz but there were no plans for him to attend any of the ceremonies.


"It would be a distraction and a detraction from the importance of the occasion because it would become a different story in media terms," the official told Reuters.


"He recognizes he made a very bad mistake and he apologizes for that. There are no plans for him to say anything more."


The Nazis murdered six million Jews and millions of others including Poles, homosexuals, Soviet prisoners and Gypsies. Millions more were imprisoned or forced to work as slaves.


Photographs of the younger son of the late Princess Diana and heir to the throne Prince Charles in Nazi attire appeared in Britain's Sun newspaper, in Israeli papers and on Web sites around the world.


Harry, third in line to the throne, said in a statement he was sorry if he had caused any offence. "It was a poor choice of costume and I apologize," he said.


"INTOLERABLE"


Prime Minister Tony Blair (news - web sites) said: "Prince Harry has made it clear he is very sorry about it and I think the rest of it is best to leave to Buckingham Palace."


Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom was less sympathetic, saying the use of Nazi symbols was intolerable.


"I think anybody who tries to pass it off as bad taste must be made aware that this can encourage others to think that perhaps that period was not as bad as we teach the young generation in the free world," he told reporters.


Conservative opposition leader Michael Howard, who is Jewish, told BBC Radio: "It would be appropriate if we heard from him in person about how contrite he is."


Royal commentator Robert Lacey said he was just "a messed up kid" and should be left alone. "He clearly got it wrong. It is a very fine line and Harry stepped over it. But he has apologized and we have to move on," he told Reuters.


Former armed forces minister Doug Henderson was quoted as saying the picture showed Harry was "not suitable" for the army.

Harry, who is due to train at the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst this year, is known as a royal "wild child" and has admitted smoking cannabis and under-age drinking.

Harry was left alone by the British media for several years after the death of his mother in a Paris car crash in 1997, but has come in for criticism in the last few months. Last October, he scuffled with photographers outside a London nightclub.

(additional reporting by Ori Lewis in Jerusalem, Jeremy Lovell and Michael Holden in London) [/q]
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I'll refer you to the topic of this post "Prince Harry Wears Swastika To Party"
If this is referring to my question then you have a long way to go as to why George Bush and swatsikas have anything to do with a poor choice in costumes.

Ridiculous.
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I was just recalling that the last time I heard about a swastika in the news it was someone referring to Bush. I apologize if it was semi off topic. It was really just a snide side comment. I stand by the sentiment however
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There is one thing on this earth you can NEVER EVER joke about, and that is the most evil bunch of human beings who ever disgraced this earth, and IMHO didn't even deserve the title of Human Being..they were the lice they called everybody else.

And that's the Nazis.

There is no EXCUSE for this.

And I am not Jewish.

Once, when I was in college, two girls showed up at class wearing yellow armbands with a Star of David on them. I took one look, sat there silent and incredulous the next few minutes, then got up and left the class. I had to do so in order to prevent myself from striking one of them.

A real case of "not giving in to the Dark Side"...
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There is one thing on this earth you can NEVER EVER joke about, and that is the most evil bunch of human beings who ever disgraced this earth, and IMHO didn't even deserve the title of Human Being..they were the lice they called everybody else.

And that's the Nazis.

Looks like they've got some competition with the enemy we're fighting today. Just substitute master race for master religion. Don't know what to substitute gas chambers for as they haven't quite been able to proceed with killing Jews on a mass scale. For now they settle for suicide bombings and beheading. Fuhrer Bin Laden, Fuhrer Zarqawi, Fuhrer Zawahiri have made their vision for the future clear and it ultimately includes you and I.

I have to write a disclaimer that this isn't attacking an entire religion but a fundamentalist sect of that religion
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Oh, are we going to turn this into a "who's more evil " dick-measuring contest? so would you argue al-queda is more evil then, say, Pol Pot? Idi Amin? The Ottoman Turks, and their modern aplogists in the modern Turkish gov't who continur to deny what their predecessors did?The Spanish conquestadors who blithely put n writng how much they approved of the 80-90% death rate that conquest and smallpox wrought in the Americas? there were 25 lillion "Indians" in Cwntral and SOuth America in 1500, and by 1700 onlu 5 million. By 1800, 3 million, And while doisease did most of the dirty work, letters and diaries show how much the Spanish took this as a divine sign they were Go'ds chosen people. We Americans have experienced SO LITTLE on the evil scale. And, of course, Africans lose twice as many people to AIDS in one day as we did on 9/11.

I am out of this thread. There is a whole host of things I could say, a whole host of insulting things I could reply. But I won't say them.

And believe me, if I said what I wanted to, I'd be banned. Hell hath no fury like a half Irish-Catholic, half Armenian woman who can count on both sides of her recent ancestry people lost through genocidal means.
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I agree this was a bad move on his part, but I can't help to see the irony in the fact that the party he was going to had 'Colonial Africa' as a theme ( I heard this on the radio). So if he had dressed up as a British or Dutch Colonial Officer in 19th Century South Africa, or in a ridicule 'primitive' African dress for example (like probably most other rich kids there), nobody would have cared.

Hundreds of years of slave trade, all the damage and plunder the British Empire was responsible for in Africa and elsewhere in the world, apartheid, all that is ok for a party theme. But a swatsika ? Nooooo...

Don't get me wrong, anything related to the Nazis disgust me to the highest point, and I certainly don't think the Holocaust or WWII is any subject for fun and partying. But this double-standard from our part (Westerners) never ceases to amaze me.
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Harry obviously doesn't have much understanding of the role his Great-Grandparents on his dad's side played during World War II.

King George VI and Queen Elizabeth (the Queen Mum) were a great source of comfort to their subjects when the Nazis were trying to bomb them to smithereens. They went on walking tours to bombed areas to see the destruction first-hand--they showed that they cared about those who were affected.

During one such appearance, someone in the crowd yelled out, "Thank God for a good king," to which George VI replied "Thank God for a good people."

George & Elizabeth also refused to have their daughters evacuated to Canada or the countryside, when many politicians were urging them to do just that.

Hitler once called Queen Elizabeth "the most dangerous woman in Britain" because of her popularity amongst her subjects and her part in keeping the morale level of Britons high.

For all of these reasons, it is so very, very unfortunate that Prince Harry is ignorant of his Great-Grandparents' role during WWII. If he knew how heroic they were during this dark time in their nation's history, he would have chosen a different costume.
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