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Old 11-16-2005, 08:47 PM   #16
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But the Shiites have not been the ones leading the insurgency,
Why would they??

It is breaking their way.

They HAVE the numbers!

All they have to do is wait it out.

It is set up so that they can get control.

That is why Sistani is advocating no violence
and work the process.


AND

that is why the SUNNIS are doing everything they are doing.

and why it is a low level civil war now

the WILL blow wide open when the Shi'ites take more and leave little for the Sunnis

the Kurds will not go over the top in fighting

they will demand "de facto" autonomy
much like they have enjoyed during the "no-fly" years
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Old 11-17-2005, 11:43 AM   #17
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if clinton is calling a new government and everything else a mistake, why did he tell america in 1998 that saddam posed a threat to world security because of his WMD programs.

he also said:

"the best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new iraqi government- a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people".

he also warned that establishing such a government would take a great deal of effort and time...


now all of a sudden hes got a problem?
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if clinton is calling a new government and everything else a mistake, why did he tell america in 1998 that saddam posed a threat to world security because of his WMD programs.

he also said:

"the best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new iraqi government- a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people".

he also warned that establishing such a government would take a great deal of effort and time...


now all of a sudden hes got a problem?


it's not what was done, but how it was done that is the problem. i know many people who would have supported the removal from saddam IF it had been done in a smart, savvy fashion -- how the bush administration has done this is indicative of their inability to govern, their lack of attention span for the details, and their disinterest in understanding Iraqi society. first, to invade essentially unilaterally and pissing off the rest of the world, followed by the disbanding of the iraqi army, compounded by any sort of anticipation of an insurgency and inability to provide basic security, has caused iraq to become a quagmire that it didn't necessarily have to become. i think it's very possible to say that you are glad that saddam hussein is gone, that a new government that just might turn out to resemble a representative deomcracy, that these are good things -- but they were achieved at such a high cost, and now iraqi's are becoming suicide bombers and the insurgency is stronger than ever and getting deadlier, that when you look back you must admit that how it was all done was a mistake.
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So you keep the Iraqi Army in place to supress any potential insurgency without the deBaathification, then you will be accused of hypocricy (why go after some Baathists and not others) and the blood of people killed by the Iraqi army as it was dealing with problems would be because of that decision.

It is very easy to look back and say that that is what should have been done, it is also quite easy to pick out predictions by individuals that have turned out to be true, much like it is to pick out ones that never came to pass (e.g. Bogged down at the gates of Baghdad, Harsh Afghan Winter, Killer Duststorms, Elections Never Taking Place etc.).
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but they were achieved at such a high cost, and now iraqi's are becoming suicide bombers and the insurgency is stronger than ever and getting deadlier, that when you look back you must admit that how it was all done was a mistake.
I really suggest that you take a look at the statistics of attacks, casualties and deaths as well as the political movements on the ground, the insurgency was unable to mount any serious campaign to undermine the parliamentary elections and attacks have been going down for months, if Sunni engagement continues then this trend can only continue so the real indicators of success or failure will be visible in six months. But as it stands over the last six months at least the Insurgency has not been getting any stronger.
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The last significant increase in the Iraqi insurgency took place at the start of April 2004.
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Now to clarify since then what has happened.
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