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Old 10-25-2004, 10:09 AM   #1
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President Carter-Bush Exploited 9/11

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/sto...=20041021CD101

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1335103,00.html
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From the paper that wants to bring back presidential assassination....
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well if they are anti-Bush, I don't think President Carter would stand for them misquoting him..
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That's right, this is a paper that has some people in it, anyway, who at least condone political assassinations. Very uncool.
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Oh well, I still agree w/ what President Carter said. I'm not condoning whatever sick things that paper has going on

I think Bush has exploited 9/11 to a certain extent, but I'm not denying that a Democratic President might have done the same thing.
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We don't need Carter

or any newspaper article to tell us about the

SHAMEFUL WAY THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS EXPLOITED 911

It just takes a minimal amount of objectivity and integrity to admit this.
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as someone who could smell the sulfuric like stench of melted steel and charred bodies from my front lawn, jimmy carter can go F himself. have a nice day.
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Furor over Bush's 9/11 ad

By MAGGIE HABERMAN in New York
amd THOMAS M. DeFRANK in Washington
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Thursday, March 4th, 2004

The Bush reelection campaign yesterday unveiled its first three campaign commercials showcasing Ground Zero images, angering some 9/11 families who accused President Bush of exploiting the tragedy for political advantage.

"It's a slap in the face of the murders of 3,000 people," said Monica Gabrielle, whose husband died in the twin tower attacks. "It is unconscionable."

Gabrielle and several other family members said the injury was compounded by Bush's refusal to testify in open session before the 9/11 commission.

"I would be less offended if he showed a picture of himself in front of the Statue of Liberty," said Tom Roger, whose daughter was a flight attendant on doomed American Airlines Flight 11. "But to show the horror of 9/11 in the background, that's just some advertising agency's attempt to grab people by the throat."

Mindy Kleinberg said she was offended because the White House has not cooperated fully with the commission and because of the sight of remains being lifted out of Ground Zero in one of the spots.

"How heinous is that?" Kleinberg asked. "That's somebody's [loved one]."

Firefighter Tommy Fee in Rescue Squad 270 in Queens was appalled.

"It's as sick as people who stole things out of the place. The image of firefighters at Ground Zero should not be used for this stuff, for politics," Fee said.

But Jennie Farrell, who lost her brother, electrician James Cartier, called the ad "tastefully done," adding: "It speaks to the truth of the times. Sept. 11 ... was something beyond the realm of imagination, and George Bush ... led us through one of the darkest moments in history."

The gauzy, upbeat spots, aimed at shoring up Bush's sagging approval numbers, begin airing today on national cable networks and 50 media markets in 17 states that Bush-Cheney strategists consider electoral battlegrounds.

Two ads, including a Spanish version, show fleeting images of the World Trade Center devastation. The 30-second spots include a poignant image of an American flag fluttering defiantly amid the WTC wreckage.

One, titled "Safer, Stronger," also features a one-second shot of firefighters removing the flag-draped remains of a victim from the twisted debris.

Both ads reinforce the Ground Zero imagery with frontal shots of two firefighters. Unlike the paid actors and actresses in most of the footage, they are not ringers, but their red headgear gives them away as non-New Yorkers. The Bush campaign declined to reveal where the burly smoke-eaters actually work.

Bush officials defended the imagery as totally appropriate.


I could post dozens of articles from family members...


i would not dismiss them and tell them to have a nice day.
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Perhaps you didn't read far enough...

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But Jennie Farrell, who lost her brother, electrician James Cartier, called the ad "tastefully done," adding: "It speaks to the truth of the times. Sept. 11 ... was something beyond the realm of imagination, and George Bush ... led us through one of the darkest moments in history."
Perhaps is boils down to partisianship? Carter was doing a nice job as "elder statesman". Now, he is slipping into the role of DNC mouthpiece.
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Perhaps you didn't read far enough...



Perhaps is boils down to partisianship? Carter was doing a nice job as "elder statesman". Now, he is slipping into the role of DNC mouthpiece.
NB,
Sadly,I don't think some posters can see as clearly as you.

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I don't think President Carter is or would ever minimize the horrific events of that day. He just doesn't seem like that kind of man to me. I think he has the right to express that opinion.

Oh well, everything in this forum seems to be viewed through partisan colored glasses.

I don't live in NYC so I can't say I understand it from that point of view, but I think I can safely say how it affected me and how I still feel about it.
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For those of you who critisize Carter: personally, I don´t think its very patriotic to attack former Presidents for their views. But I don´t care much for patriotism anyway.

Here´s a little information on Jimmy Carter:

Foreign Policy

Carter promoted his foreign policy as being one that would place human rights at the forefront. This was intended to be a break from the policies of the Nixon administration, in which human rights abuses were often overlooked if they were committed by a nation that was allied to the United States. The Carter administration ended support to the historically U.S.-backed Somoza dictatorship in Nicaragua, and gave millions of dollars in aide to the nation's new regime.

The main conflict between human rights and U.S. interests came in Carter's dealings with the Shah of Iran . The Shah had been a strong ally of America since World War 2, and was one of the few U.S.-friendly regimes in the Middle East . However, his regime was also quite brutal and oppressive. Though Carter praised the Shah as a wise and valuable leader, when a popular uprising against the monarchy broke out in Iran, the Carter administration did not intervene.

The Shah was deposed and exiled. Many have since connected the Shah's dwindling U.S. support as a leading cause of his quick overthrow. Carter was initially prepared to recognize the revolutionary government of the monarch's successor, but his efforts proved futile.

In 1979 , Carter reluctantly allowed the former Iranian Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi into the United States for political asylum and medical treatment. In response to the Shah's entry into the U.S., Iranian militants seized the American embassy in Tehran taking 52 Americans hostage and demanded the Shah's return to Iran for trial and execution. Though later that year the Shah would leave the US and die in Egypt , the Iran hostage crisis continued, and dominated the last year of Carter's presidency. The subsequent responses to the crisis, from a " Rose Garden strategy" of staying inside the White House , to the botched attempt to rescue the hostages, were largely seen as contributing to defeat in the 1980 election.

Although the Carter team had pursued the release of the hostages, an agreement for their release was not signed until January 19 , 1981 , after the election of Ronald Reagan . In what many observers have seen as a slight against Carter, the Iranians waited to release the captives until minutes after Reagan was sworn-in as president. The hostages had been held captive for 444 days.

The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in December 1979 was a response to the U.S. military presence there, according to Carter's National Security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski . After the invasion, Carter announced the Carter Doctrine , according to which the U.S. would not allow any outside power to gain control of the Persian Gulf . Also in response to the events in Afghanistan, Carter prohibited Americans from participating in the 1980 Summer Olympics , which were held in Moscow , and he reinstated registration for the draft for young males.

In order to oppose the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, Carter and Zbigniew Brzezinski started a $40 billion program of training Islamic fundamentalists in Pakistan and Afghanistan. In retrospect, this contributed to the collapse of the Soviet Union , but, ironically, is also often tied to the resulting instability of post-Soviet Afghani governments, which led to the rise of Islamic theocracy in the region. Some even tie the program to the 1996 coup that established the Taliban regime in Afghanistan and to the creation of violent Islamic terrorist groups. At the time, and perhaps continuing into the Reagan and G.H.W. Bush presidencies, Islamic fundamentalism as a political force was not well understood.

Controversies

Members of the Reagan-Bush campaign and administration (most notably Barbara Honegger , in her book October Surprise ), and the president of Iran in 1980 ( Abu Al-Hasan Bani-Sadr , My Turn to Speak: Iran, the Revolution and Secret Deals With the U.S. ) have alleged that a secret agreement between the Reagan campaign (orchestrated by George H. W. Bush ) was responsible for destroying a deal between the Carter administration and the Iranian government that would have had the hostages released in October 1980 . Such a scenario was termed "The October Surprise" by the Reagan team. Unnamed sources also are alleged to have claimed that it was blackmail over the deal that led to the U.S. involvement in the later Iran-Contra scandal , as Iran demanded to be sold weapons to use in its war against Iraq if the Reagan administration wanted it to keep quiet.
During Carter's administration, diplomatic recognition was switched from the Republic of China to the People's Republic of China , a policy continued into the 21st century . In response, Congress passed the Taiwan Relations Act .

Carter has been accused of ordering a cover-up of the events at Three Mile Island following the near meltdown of that nuclear plant . He has also been criticized for not doing enough to promote his stated human rights foreign policy stance in his administration, such as continuing to support Indonesia even while they were committing genocide in their occupation of East Timor .

Post-Presidency

Since losing his bid for re-election, Carter has been involved in a variety of public policy , human rights , and charitable causes. His work in international public policy and conflict resolution is largely through the Carter Center . The center also focuses on world-wide health care including the campaign to eliminate guinea worm disease .

He and members of the center are sometimes involved in the monitoring of the electoral process in support of free and fair elections. This includes acting as election observers, particularly in Latin America and Africa .

Because he had served as a submariner (the only President to have done so), a submarine was named for him. The USS Jimmy Carter (SSN-23) was named on April 27 , 1998 , making it one of the very few US Navy vessels to be named for a person still alive at the time of the naming.

Carter visited Cuba in May 2002 meeting with Fidel Castro and becoming the first President of the United States, in or out of office, to visit the island since Castro's 1959 revolution.

Not all Carter's efforts have gained him favor in Washington; President Clinton and both Presidents Bush were said to have been less than pleased with Carter's "free-lance" diplomacy in Iraq and elsewhere.

Carter was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002 for his decades of untiring effort to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts, to advance democracy and human rights, and to promote economic and social development. He was the third president, after Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson , to receive the award.

In March 2004 Carter roundly condemned George W. Bush and Tony Blair for waging an unnecessary war "based upon lies and misinterpretations" in order to oust Saddam Hussein . He claimed that Blair had allowed his better judgement to be swayed by Bush's desire to finish a war that his father had started.

He and his wife are also well-known for their work with Habitat for Humanity .

http://www.usa-presidents.info/carter.htm
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President Carter-Bush Exploited 9/11

Well, DUH! Of course, they are. Does anyone honestly think Bush would have a snowball's chance in Hell of being elected if 9/11 hadn't happened? His administration has been riding for all it's worth from the moment it happened.
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From the paper that wants to bring back presidential assassination....
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I don't take the Guardian. If it is like our National Inquirer, then yes, it is sensationalism to sell papers.
nbcrusader, I remember you a year or two ago.. you weren´t that shamelessly extreme in your self-contradictions. What has happened to your open mind?

No offense there, I am seriously wondering. Has someone washed your brain? All I hear from you is that kind of manipulative one sentence statements.

I respected you as a good discussion partner with a few valid points to make, but I haven´t seen any of that in the last months. Please change your style.
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Please don't fight..
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