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Old 04-14-2004, 11:07 AM   #16
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This is one of my favorite parts. Good job answering the question Dubya, can't wait till the hearing before the commission. If you answer the questions as well as you did here we'll definately find some resolution.

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QUESTION: Mr. President, why are you and the vice president insisting on appearing together before the 9/11 commission? And, Mr. President, who will we be handing the Iraqi government over to on June 30th?

BUSH: Well find that out soon. Thats what Mr. Brahimi is doing. Hes figuring out the nature of the entity well be handing sovereignty over.

And, secondly, because the 9/11 commission wants to ask us questions, thats why were meeting. And I look forward to meeting with them and answering their questions.

QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE) I was asking why youre appearing together, rather than separately, which was their request.

BUSH: Because its a good chance for both of us to answer questions that the 9/11 commission is looking forward to asking us. And Im looking forward to answering them.
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It was so painful to watch that for a nanosecond I actually felt something resembling pity. He seemed defeated. Completely and utterly inarticulate and lacking the attention span to even finish a thought. He seemed on the verge of unraveling.
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3. Who won the FA Cup Final in 1973?
Since Bush didn't answer this last night....can you tell me the answer...I don't want to look it up!

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i really don't know what people want him to say about what he did pre 9/11. if he admits to making mistakes, the left will run with it and pin the blame for 9/11 on him and him alone... the ole bucks tops here approach. if he doesn't admit to making mistakes, then he's "avoiding the questions."

obviously the entire bush administration made mistakes leading up to 9/11... as did the fbi, the cia, the airport security, the immigration services, the clinton administration, the first bush administration, the reagan administration, and probably even administrations before that.

why did all of these smart people make these mistakes? 'cause we were at war, but we didn't know it. it's very similar to pearl harbor. the japanese had been planning that attack for years. should the roosevelt adminstration have known? possiably... were the hints and clues there? yes... but america was under a false pretense that we were protected by the pacific ocean... that there was no way that a surprise, pre-emptive attack by the japanese could by carried out, and that the immediate danger was sabatoge... thus why all the boats were placed close together, for "added security."

9/11 was the same thing... we were expecting terrorism over seas... we knew it was possiable that they could strike here, but we didn't expect it. and if there was a hijacking, it was expected to be for the release of hostages, not to be used as missiles. were there people who predicted that planes could be used as weapons? of course... debt of honor by tom clancy, which came out in 1994, ends with a terrorist flying a plane into the Captiol building... so yes, it was thought of... but go look at the pre 9/11 reviews of the book on amazon.com.. you'll see a familiar pattern to many of the reviews... "The ending is certainly a shock, but again too far fetched."

i really hope the democrats get off this issue... it's a no win situation for either side. EVERYONE screwed up... let's stop trying to find one person to pin it on and continue fixing what DID go wrong.
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I read an Op-Ed in the Boston Globe yesterday that was essentially saying the same thing as you stated Headache. Or at least, the beginning of it.
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http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/10...me_game+.shtml

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Drop the 9/11 blame game
WHILE IRAQ burns, America fiddles with the blame game.

The important time frame for the country right now is not what happened before Sept. 11. It is everything that happened afterward.

How did we go from fighting a war in Afghanistan that made sense to fighting a war with Iraq that makes none? And now that we are fighting it, how do we end it? Let's convene a special commission and get the answers to those questions. That is testimony worth contemplating.

The systemic failure of intelligence over time and immediately before the terrorist attacks is obvious and needs to be addressed. But the issue is being politicized at the worst possible moment: American soldiers are dying in Iraq, coalition members are under attack, and Iraq is in free fall.

Hold George W. Bush accountable for everything having to do with war in Iraq. Waging it was his choice; if it fails to achieve what he predicted, it is his failure. Sept. 11 belongs to the country.

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There is collective responsiblity for every step along the way to Sept. 11. Bush alone is responsible for every step since.
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The choices seem fairly easy:

Condemn the man for not taking action based on limited uncorroborated evidence

or

Condemn the man for taking action based on limited uncorroborated evidence
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Or someone could come out and admit there's a gray area...


but that won't happen either. You're much more the super hero cowboy when you wash your hands completely and blame it all on the bad guy to which you will show the world sometime right before November.
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really hope the democrats get off this issue
the problem is more that Bush doesn't just say what you just said here but just pretends his way is still the only right way
the problem is not what democrats say about this issue
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the problem is more that Bush doesn't just say what you just said here but just pretends his way is still the only right way
the problem is not what democrats say about this issue
well fine... i agree that bush rarely admits to making a mistake with his policy. but ya know? i kinda like that... i kinda like how he sticks to his guns rather than jumping up and down based on every new poll that comes out... what i like to refer to as "clintonism." for 8 years bill told america exactly what they wanted to hear, rather than make a decision on his own and actually stick with it. and i guess that approach is fine, 'cause obviously it worked decently... but every now and then i'd like to see leaders actually lead. and then when it's all said and done, if the american people feel he did a bad job leading, then simply vote him out of office this november. and maybe that's what'll happen... or maybe things that look like mistakes now will suddenly look a lot better come the summer, and we'll have four more years of eddie vedder bitching at concerts.
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We deserve to know what happened before 9/11, and why we went to war with Iraq afterward but all we got were the same tired lines that were never good enough in the first place.
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well fine... i agree that bush rarely admits to making a mistake with his policy. but ya know? i kinda like that... i kinda like how he sticks to his guns rather than jumping up and down based on every new poll that comes out... what i like to refer to as "clintonism." for 8 years bill told america exactly what they wanted to hear, rather than make a decision on his own and actually stick with it.
if Bush his campaign team thought the polls would be kinder on him if he admitted his mistakes Bush would have done so months ago
I have no reason to believe that he's any better in that respect than any other politician
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It's arrogance and stubborness not leadership. The greatest leaders this world has seen lead but have humility, something Bush lacks.
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Did you also notice that we have two secratary of states? Did anyone else notice this or am I dreaming things?
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It'd be better if Bush could admit he'd screwed up every so often. He doesn't have to change his mind five times on Issue X to do this. That's excessive. Saying "we screwed up" can be leadership, too. It's taking responsibility, something I like to see in a leader.
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well fine... i agree that bush rarely admits to making a mistake with his policy. but ya know? i kinda like that... i kinda like how he sticks to his guns rather than jumping up and down based on every new poll that comes out... what i like to refer to as "clintonism." for 8 years bill told america exactly what they wanted to hear, rather than make a decision on his own and actually stick with it. and i guess that approach is fine, 'cause obviously it worked decently... but every now and then i'd like to see leaders actually lead. and then when it's all said and done, if the american people feel he did a bad job leading, then simply vote him out of office this november. and maybe that's what'll happen... or maybe things that look like mistakes now will suddenly look a lot better come the summer, and we'll have four more years of eddie vedder bitching at concerts.
Don't you think it would be better if a president "listened" more or was a little more flexible on some issues, a president who can adapt more to the daily change? Anybody can stick to their guns, but a true leader should also be a good listener. If Bush was a better leader/listener we would have the UN on our side in this war, or we wouldn't be at war, instead his arrogance and cockiness has lead us into this mess. Giving the American people general statements like "We're gonna stay the course" and "Oh you'll see who we hand over the goverment to" is not making us feel better. If he was a "leader" he would go to the UN and ask for HELP, like a real man would, instead, he's gonna stay the course, because if he changes he fears he will lose the election. Apparantly, he's doing this for his Republican team so he can win the big game....pitiful.
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