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Old 08-23-2004, 04:57 AM   #1
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Pre-Marital Sex in Iran

I just saw this appauling story about a 16 year old girl hanged in Iran after apparently having sex with a young man. This is the true face of political Islam, it is the most violent, misogynistic, racist, genocidal homophobic and brutally opressive political ideology to emerge in the latter 20th Century. This case is not exceptional in any way other than that it is being reported. I think one should reflect on how indiciative this case is when dealing with womens rights in the Islamic world.

I cannot accept that in this day and age the western world sits by happily spouting about how Political Islam is a legitimate means of governence and that liberty, secularism and democracy are incompatible for Muslims, because they are somehow inferior and cannot accept fundamental human rights. All this while we know what Political Islam has brings to the world, despotism, terrorism these are the bitter fruits of Islamism and they must never be overlooked.

I want to see a free Iran where people are allowed to live their lives the way they want without threat from the state, where they can elect leaders with real power without having mullahs running the show - Freedom, Human Rights and Peace go hand in hand, until there is real freedom in Iran there can never be true peace.

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On Sunday August 15, 2004, a 16 year old girl by the name of Atefe Rajabi, daughter of Ghassem Rajabi, was executed in the town of Neka, located in the province of Mazandaran, for “engaging in acts incompatible with chastity”. The execution was carried out by the order of Neka’s “judicial administrator” and was approved by both the Supreme Court of the Islamic Republic and the chief of the nation’s “judiciary branch.”

Although according to her birth certificate she was only 16 years old, the local court falsely claimed that she was 22.

Three months ago, during her appearance before the local court, fiercely angry the young girl hurled insults at the local judge, Haji Reza, who is also the chief judicial administrator of the city, and it is said as another expression of protest took off some of her clothes in the courtroom. This act by the young girl made the administrator so furious that he evaluated her file personally and in less than three months received a go-ahead from the Islamic Republic’s Supreme Court for her execution. The animosity and anger of Haji Reza was so strong that he personally put the rope around the girl’s delicate neck and personally gave the signal to the crane operator, by raising his hand, to begin pulling the rope.

It may be noted that although according to the Islamic Republic’s own penal laws the presence of an attorney for the defense [is supposed to be] mandatory, regardless of the defendant’s ability to afford one, nevertheless the girl remained without an attorney. Her unfortunate father, while tears poured from his eyes, went about the city beseeching the townspeople for money to hire an attorney who in the least would provide his daughter with a line of defense.

The young girl was buried the same day after her execution but during that same night her corpse was disinterred by unknown individuals and robbed. The theft remains unexplained and the Rajabi family has filed a complaint.

The 16 year old girl’s male companion, who had been arrested as well, received 100 lashes and, after the Islamic punishment was carried out, released.
When the social and judicial imperitves of the state becomee governed by religion evil deeds are committed. The true nature of evil is a part of humanity, from communism and fascism authoritarian systems have fostered great evil. Today it is expressed by Islamism, until we face the Islamist menace and remove it with a grand economic and social project designed to reshape the political situation of the Middle East these atrocities will go on every day and any the problem will only continue.

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/new...php?storyid=80
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Old 08-23-2004, 07:08 AM   #2
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"I want to see a [free] Iran where people are allowed to live their lives the way they want ..."

It is also this wish which has cost this girl her life.
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Terrible, but as much as I hate to say this I'm not shocked. Iran is an officially Shi'ite state, and the ayatollahs run the country. There is a decent sized opposition, but they got screwed in the last elections when their party was disqualified and now I can imagine these people are really angry with the government. I just hope Iraq doesn't end up with the same kind of government. This happens on a regular basis in Saudi Arabia, where they actually have "religious police" who arrest girls seen with men who are not their husbands or brothers, and often these girls get killed in "honor killings".
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Who invented the concept of marriage ?

Who invented the concept of religion ?


It is by these concepts by some people fool other people.

Survival of fittest as they say.

a) physically fit ( able to withstand harmful bacteria, virus)
b) mentally fit ( able to withstand pyschological, social virus )

Am i making any sense
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Terrible, but as much as I hate to say this I'm not shocked. Iran is an officially Shi'ite state, and the ayatollahs run the country. There is a decent sized opposition, but they got screwed in the last elections when their party was disqualified and now I can imagine these people are really angry with the government. I just hope Iraq doesn't end up with the same kind of government. This happens on a regular basis in Saudi Arabia, where they actually have "religious police" who arrest girls seen with men who are not their husbands or brothers, and often these girls get killed in "honor killings".
Iran is getting nervous. With the genesis of democracies to the east and west, the power of the ayatollahs does not look as permanent as they once might have thought.
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Soon, possibly.

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Iran is getting nervous. With the genesis of democracies to the east and west, the power of the ayatollahs does not look as permanent as they once might have thought.

Well, they have elections in Iran, but they pulled some sort of screwy deal in the last elections and the opposition couldn't run their candidates for parliament. This made the opposition very angry, and they're probably plotting something to make their presence known. They may be nervous about Iraq and Afghanistan and the changes going on in those countries, but they're under siege in their own country as well. The head of state has made a hell of alot of enemies.
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The Soviet Union, Cuba and the old Iraq had "elections" as well.....
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Iran is one of the most oppressive regimes around. And frankly, if we had to evaluate risk factors, I always feared Iran more than Iraq.

There is no excuse for the way they conduct business in that country.
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Iran is indeed a very repressive place. It's not at all democratic.
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Democracy alone does not equal free and open, liberty must come with democracy or bad things happen.
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Iran is getting nervous. With the genesis of democracies to the east and west, the power of the ayatollahs does not look as permanent as they once might have thought.
I guess Iran is more nervous because these two countries you mention are highly unstable. A civil war in Afghanistan and Iraq is possible and could affect the neighbour country (Iran)
The Anarchy we can see in the two mentioned countries helps the Ayatollahs in Iran more than the democractic movement in Iran
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