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Old 02-09-2002, 02:09 PM   #1
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Pot: it can't be that great...right?

A regularly intelligent friend of mine smokes pot. In January she did it 5 out of 9 days. I'm not a pot smoker because I don't believe I should be a) doing drugs when I don't even know what I'm doing with full consciousness and b) supporting America's drug culture. Well, I told her that it was stupid and whatnot. But she kept it up, THEN tried to hide it from me, which didn't work at all. She is sacrificing all of her potential for fucking weed. I have since distanced myself from her greatly and now she says she's clean because she chooses to be, but I don't believe her. But my question here is, is pot really that great? That you would sacrifice your friends for it? Not just any friend, someone who used to be your best friend? For getting high?

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Old 02-09-2002, 04:18 PM   #2
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CLAIM #11:
MARIJUANA PRODUCES AN AMOTIVATIONAL SYNDROME

Marijuana is said to have a deleterious effect on society by making users passive, apathetic, unproductive, and unable or unwilling to fulfill their responsibilities.

THE FACTS

The concept of an amotivational syndrome first appeared in the late 1960s, as marijuana use was increasing among American youth. In the years since, despite the absence of an agreed-upon definition of the concept, numerous researchers have attempted to verify its occurrence.

Large-scale studies of high school students have generally found no difference in grade-point averages between marijuana users and non-users. One study found lower grades among students reported to be daily users of marijuana, but the authors failed to identify a causal relationship and concluded that both phenomena were part of a complex of inter-related social and emotional problems.

In one longitudinal study of college students, after controlling for other factors, marijuana users were found to have higher grades than non-users and to be equally as likely to successfully complete their educations. Another study found that marijuana users in college scored higher than non-users on standardized "achievement values" scales.

Field studies conducted in Jamaica, Costa Rica and Greece also found no evidence of an amotivational syndrome marijuana-using populations.

In these samples of working-class males, the educational and employment records of marijuana users were, for the most part, similar to those of non-users. In fact, in Jamaica, marijuana was often smoked during working hours as an aid to productivity.
The results of laboratory studies have been nearly as consistent.

In one study lasting 94 days, marijuana had no significant impact on learning, performance or motivation.

In another 31-day study, subjects given marijuana worked more hours than controls and turned in an equal number of tokens for cash at the study's completion.

However, in a Canadian study that required subjects in the marijuana group to consume unusually high doses, some reduction in work efficiency was noted in the days following intoxication.

Undoubtedly, when marijuana is used in a way that produces near-constant intoxication, other activities are 1ikely to be neglected.
However, the weight of scientific evidence suggests that there is nothing in the pharmacological properties of cannabis that alter people's attitudes, values, or abilities regarding work.

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*psssst* Sicy pass the peace pipe this way =)
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Well your friend could have easily become addicted to alchol or gambling or any other thing. There grade most likely would slip.

Hate pot?

Hate alchol, gambling, niccotine, caffine?

Many, many post secondary students drink alot. I know from experience. Does that automatically make them people that are less then someone that doesnt?

I smoked pot last night. First time since Nov. it was fun. I feel fine now. And will tommorow, and i'll be at school on monday and will see my friends toinght

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pot sucks. don't even try to convince me otherwise.

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While I neither smoke pot nor drink on a regular basis, I do both recreationally. I have come to the conclusion that drinking gives me hangovers, which makes me miserable, sick to my stomach, tired and irritable. On the other hand, when I smoke pot, I wake up feeling BETTER than usual the next morning.

I don't think I've smoked pot enough to have any really strong feelings about it, except that for me, it's been completely harmless. Why alcohol is legal and pot isn't will confuse me forever.

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Have you smoked it before Khanada?
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Have you smoked it before Khanada?
i'd rather not get into it, but...no. and i never intend on trying it. ever.

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Old 02-10-2002, 03:35 AM   #9
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is your friend a bad or inferior person now, or is it the morality issue? what exactly? [I'm just trying to understand why you are ending your friendship with her, I'm sure she didnt say "I'll start smoking pot so that I'll have no friends and no future," what I'm getting at is -- this may be indicative of a much deeper-rooted problem she's having, you may want to figure out what's causing her to go down this path]
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It was really more of a rant about how much i hate pot. i'm not ending our friendship over it i'm wondering why she would choose it over a friendship (not just my own at that). I just hate pot.

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well fair enough, I don't endorse the use of pot either, but I don't necessarily think it's the root of all evil either, just out of curiosity, do you hate alcohol as much as you hate pot?
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I want to say that it depends a lot on the person who smokes it. A rather obvious statement that may be, but let me continue; I have a few "friends" to tell you about. I know two in particular that started out with pot in probably 7th or 8th grade. This led to cigarettes which of course they still do now years later. Then came alcohol along with the pot and ciggs. None of this was enough of "buzz" for these 17 year olds with a built up 3 year tolerance, so then came cocaine. After this became boring, then came the crack and the needle. Fifteen years later they finally decided they have lost their way and need help. They have no money because everything they earn at their "jobs" is spent on addiction. They usually end up stealing and pawning from family and friends when friday's little paycheck is gone by sunday morning.

On the other hand; I know several people who used the same drugs mentioned above in probably the same order, and kept it to a "recreational use" minimum. These people grew out of their "drug phase", married, and are raising families now and teaching their kids to "just say no". This second group of people represent an alarming rate of our peers at many levels. Alarming when you think of the junk they stuffed into their bodies and the chaos their system endured for 24-72 hour intervals.

So what makes the first group different from the second group? Heredity? The "alcoholic gene"? Do I personally think pot is bad? Boy let me tell you-why hell, I don't know. I'm addicted to pepsi and Chinese take out. Some people are addicted to a deadly trio of nicotine, coffee, and the morning newspaper.

The real question is; if you understand the odds that are stacked up against you, would you still take that hit?

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never tried. never will. it's bad bad bad.

actually I don't have a problem with pot as long as it's from a reliable source and you don't get addicted to it, ie, needing it everyday, but nevertheless, it is illegal and thus one must be cautious not to get their nuts caught in the old grinder

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I'm addicted to pepsi and Chinese take out.

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pot is an easy target in our society.

don't hate your friend because she smokes up. how is it that she picks pot 'over' you?


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