Post-election Commentaries, Thoughts

[A_Wanderer]

Maybe McDonalds is hiring

 

[RademR]

Hey, chicken little, the sky is not falling.


THERE WILL BE NO DRAFT!

what the fuck did you call me? chicken little? how gay of a cutdown is that? i later retracted my statement by saying there probably wont be one, i was just really upset Bush won. Chicken little, come up with something better u fucking geek. The sky ISNT falling, but bombs are falling on Iraqi children every day. Or you dont beleive that? Do you need me to send you the video clips?

 

[A_Wanderer]

Calm down, please, you should at least try to be civil.

 

[popacrobat]

ive never seen someone get so bent out of shape over being called chicken little?

 

[diamond]

ive never seen someone get so bent out of shape over being called chicken little?

NB
was only using the cliche' too.
he wasnt calling RademR 'chicken little'
this fellow RademR is a loose cannon.

db9

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

how gay of a cutdown is that?

and here i thought the republicans were the party of intollerance

 

[RademR]

to the last two that posted: calling him a geek was a joke....im not even mad, if you look at my last few posts I was trying to put some humor into this thread filled with so much damn tension. I started posting in this thread to express my opinion and I also already stated I didnt mean to disrespect any Bush supporter because this is a democracy, which is what makes this country so great. So then he sees my post and calls me a name first, I am the one who has be civil? Dont get it fellas.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

I am your conscience speaking up.

i appreciate it and all, but i've got a conscience of my own, thank you very much.

 

[RademR]

my bad fellas, I didt mean to come off like a dick, see post above

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

And here I thought you'd be looking for a strong, competent official who won't tolerate corruption...

wait a minute speedracer... we're not allowed to talk about oil for food in FYM... it's forbidden. please talk about haliburton instead.

 

[hiphop]

i appreciate it and all, but i've got a conscience of my own, thank you very much.

nice toss-away tone.

oops sorry to disturb your victory dance. good luck at the purgatory.

 

[diamond]

here is an example of President Bush's humility-

"It was on Air Force One on election day that strategist Karl Rove started calling around to get the results of early exit polls. But the line kept breaking down. The only information that came through as the plane descended was a BlackBerry message from an aide that simply read: "Not good." Not long afterward, Rove got a more detailed picture and told the President and senior aides the bad news. Florida Governor Jeb Bush had been saying the state was looking good, and the Bush team had expected to be ahead in Ohio. But Kerry was leading everywhere. "I wanted to throw up," said an aide onboard. Bush was more philosophical: "Well, it is what it is," he told adviser Karen Hughes

 

[A_Wanderer]

This is why Dubya will become a Great President.

After the pool boarded Air Force One, following the president, it was observed that the Secret Service had not boarded, and we were told that the plane was "waiting." It eventually was learned that we were waiting for the arrival of a "World" airlines charter MD-11 carrying 292 Guardsmen and reservists for duty in Iraq. The plane departed from Ft. Bragg with the 30th Brigade Combat team, a guard unit from North Carolina, the 414th Transportation Battalion reserve unit from South Carolina, and the 230th Area Support Group, a guard unit from Tennessee. There seemed to be a few other units as well, such as the 150th armored cavalry, a guard unit from West Virginia. They are heading to Germany and then to Kuwait, for 18-24 months duty in Iraq. They were obviously excited to see the president, and a few confessed to being down when they had to say goodbye to their families, but they said they were boosted by the president's appearance. They were reluctant to talk about the mission in Iraq, appearing stoic about that. They were all wearing desert fatigues and filled virtually every seat on the 3-engine plane. The officers were seated in business class.

The soldiers mostly had cameras ready to take snapshots of Bush. Several requested autographs. They called out phrases such as "this is awesome." The president put a tie and suit jacket on after the rally and walked down one aisle and back up the other, offering gentle smiles and words such as "I'm proud of you" and "thank you." Pool was not close enough to hear any more than that. As he got to the rear of the plane, Sgt. Wanda Dabbs, 22, of the 230th, called out, "That's my president, hooah!" and there were cheers. At the end of the handshakes on the packed, hot plane, Bush got on the PA system from the middle galley. "I appreciate being president to such fine men and women. May God bless you all. May God keep you safe." Potus took the limo the few hundred yards between the two planes.

Brief interviews with a few of the troops: Sgt. Wanda Dabbs, 230th. On president: "This is very exciting." On the mission: "I'm ready. I'm ready to go 'til the mission is done." Sgt. Shelly Bivens, 230th, Enthusiastic about mission? "I'm excited to serve our country." Master Sgt. Johnny Scott, 230th, a postal worker: "It's unusual, very unusual. It's pretty cool, a good morale boost." Sgt. 1st class Bill Freeman, 230th, a steelworker union member with Goodyear tire in Tennessee, "I think he's the best president of my lifetime? I can guarantee you right now this is the best thing that ever happened to me in my lifetime." Specialist Brian Parker, 230th: "We were down when we left our families," he said, giving a thumbs down. "But then we heard Air Force One was here. It's a good morale boost." Sgt. 1st class Bobby Dailey, 150th, a Fedex worker. Good spirits? "We are now. It's a nice surprise. It ain't every day you land somewhere and the president gets on your plane." Asked if he was a Bush supporter, he said, "We're commander-in-chief supporters." Spec. Sgt. David Spence, 230th, 54, on the election: "I'm still balancing the issues. I'm not sure. I'd like to hear what he (Bush) has to say." A machinist, has one daughter. Specialist E4 Eddie Latham. "I can't believe it's him." 35, factory worker. "I think he's a great leader, but I'm nervous to go to Iraq." Will still vote for Bush. 2nd Lt. Roxana Pagan-Sanchez. 30th brigade,30 yrs, 12 year old son. Bush said he was proud of her. Works at urgent care clinic in Raleigh, army environmental scientist. Voting for Bush. "He told me he's proud of me. I'm so proud of him."

Bush aides knew the plane was on its way here and due to arrive about 5 minutes after AF1 left. "They pushed the gas pedal a little bit," Card said, and AF1 waited. Card said after Bush finished the Bangor rally speech they got word that the logistics would work and Bush gave permission to wait.

The plane's pilot, Mikkel "Mike" Hansen, said that they got word from the World Airways hq that they were attempting to hook up with AF1 in Bangor. "We pushed it about 50 or 60 knots," Hansen said. The Los Angeles based pilot added that they received further instructions from the control tower as well as directly from AF1. "You don't get that every day." Gary Goodpastor, another pilot called a "check captain" because he monitors other pilots, said it was a "thrill."

All the soldiers had been given absentee ballots in the day or two before they departed. Many still had the ballots with them.

Dana Milbank/Washington Post
Matt Cooper/Time

 

[popacrobat]

nice toss-away tone.

oops sorry to disturb your victory dance. good luck at the purgatory.

so because somebody supported bush, they need your luck at purgatory? please. get over yourself.

if youre so pro life and anti war, then how can you support abortions? by supporting kerry, you support abortion which is the murdering of innocent children whove done nothing wrong.

but, since youre so much better than all of us bush supporters, enjoy your first class trip to heaven.

 

[A_Wanderer]

No abortion is not about killing innocent babies, war is not about butchuring innocent children; they are issues with a variety of sides that can be argued vigourously to varying degrees of effectiveness.

 

[hiphop]

so because somebody supported bush, they need your luck at purgatory? please. get over yourself.

if youre so pro life and anti war, then how can you support abortions? by supporting kerry, you support abortion which is the murdering of innocent children whove done nothing wrong.

but, since youre so much better than all of us bush supporters, enjoy your first class trip to heaven.

That´s nice, but very uninformed criticism, my dear

1) Generally, I´m against abortion (with some exceptions).

2) I haven´t supported Kerry, I´m not an American citizen, I didn´t vote.

3) I´m a Roman Catholic. Since you don´t seem to know much about purgatory, I may take the chance to explain some principles here:

The Roman Catholic Church does not teach its people to have confidence in the full forgiveness of their sins through the death of Christ alone. Nor are they taught that the righteousness of God accomplished by Jesus Christ is their permanent possession. The result is that the faithful Catholic is taught never to come to full assurance of salvation during their earthly life, for they are still capable of committing "mortal sin." A Catholic's redemption is always dependent on their maintaining a faithfulness to the Church's doctrine and practice.

Thus Catholics are taught that when they die, if they have not committed mortal sins (and with the exception of the special class of believers they call "saints"), all go to the place the church calls purgatory. The Catechism states "All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven..."

"The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent" (Catechism 1030-1031). This concept of purgatory led to the unbiblical Catholic doctrine of prayers for the dead (Catechism 1032). Catholic believers are taught that "it is a holy and a wholesome thought to pray for the dead that they may be loosed from their sins" (Catechism 958).

 

[bullet1973]

so because somebody supported bush, they need your luck at purgatory? please. get over yourself.

if youre so pro life and anti war, then how can you support abortions? by supporting kerry, you support abortion which is the murdering of innocent children whove done nothing wrong.

but, since youre so much better than all of us bush supporters, enjoy your first class trip to heaven.

So by supporting Bush u don't support the murder of innocent Iraqis who have done nothing wrong?? Grow up and come into the world of reality please.

 

[popacrobat]

im a catholic and ive gone to catholic school from k-11, been confirmed all that good stuff, i think i know what purgatory is thank you very much. it's clear you don't support bush and oppose those who are happy that bush won, so obviously your support went to kerry, regardless if youre american or not. i see other non americans getting bent out of shape as well.

the death of innocent iraqis who have done nothing wrong? i guess if you mean by death of terrorists, sure, youre damn right i support killing off the terrorists. iraq harbored terrorists, had terrorist camps setup and had a fuseleage of a plane where terrorists practicied hijacking planes. innocent enough, i guess.

 

[A_Wanderer]

Innocent people die in war, they get their legs blown off, they get their brains splattered across back walls - it is not pretty nor is it a good thing.

Innocent people also die in the peace, they are starved to death, die from diseases that would be treatable if the resources were getting to the hospitals, they are tortured to death and cut to pieces by the mukabarat.

There is always a cost, through action or inaction - nobody should forget that.

 

[U2_Guy]

im a catholic and ive gone to catholic school from k-11, been confirmed all that good stuff, i think i know what purgatory is thank you very much. it's clear you don't support bush and oppose those who are happy that bush won, so obviously your support went to kerry, regardless if youre american or not. i see other non americans getting bent out of shape as well.

the death of innocent iraqis who have done nothing wrong? i guess if you mean by death of terrorists, sure, youre damn right i support killing off the terrorists. iraq harbored terrorists, had terrorist camps setup and had a fuseleage of a plane where terrorists practicied hijacking planes. innocent enough, i guess.

Guys like StlEvation, Headache in a Suitcase and that funny australian (Wanderer something) are just your typical redneck. It's a waste of time trying to come up with facts (they will deny those are facts) and good sense. They are warmongers, they still believe church must be united to the governments (yeah, i know, long gone the human race evolved to know it's not right to mix religion/governments), they still do NOT believe when they see/read about the killing of innocents by the USA (yeah, they think the media is a bunch of communists who are trying to wash their brains with false images), they don't care about the rest of the world (actually, they know nothing about the ROW) and they really believe America is the country chosen by God to "guide" all ppl to the "light" and they believe monkey Bush is the chosen one to lead the masses to the promised paradise.

Talking to them and trying to put some sense into their minds is pretty much useless. It's like talking to a wall.

And they think they are pretty smart and clever by posting pics of that monkey Bush or dropping some bad taste one liners...

Poor ppl...

 

[speedracer]

Guys like StlEvation, Headache in a Suitcase and that funny australian (Wanderer something) are just your typical redneck. It's a waste of time trying to come up with facts (they will deny those are facts) and good sense. They are warmongers, they still believe church must be united to the governments (yeah, i know, long gone the human race evolved to know it's not right to mix religion/governments), they still do NOT believe when they see/read about the killing of innocents by the USA (yeah, they think the media is a bunch of communists who are trying to wash their brains with false images), they don't care about the rest of the world (actually, they know nothing about the ROW) and they really believe America is the country chosen by God to "guide" all ppl to the "light" and they believe monkey Bush is the chosen one to lead the masses to the promised paradise.

Talking to them and trying to put some sense into their minds is pretty much useless. It's like talking to a wall.

And they think they are pretty smart and clever by posting pics of that monkey Bush or dropping some bad taste one liners...

Poor ppl...

I don't have anything to say here. I just thought this entire post should be put in boldface so that all can marvel at this guy's spectacular insight.

 

[A_Wanderer]

Yep look at me, I am a dumb as shit redneck warmonger who believes that God is the divine truth and all those Muslims should be converted to the real truth.

Fact is I am a university student living in the City of Melbourne studying for a science degree, I want to become a paleontologist. I am an atheist however I will respect peoples right to worship as long as it doesn't injur anybody. I have no love for war, but I get very sick looking at how fucked up some situations are that could be remedied with millitary intervention, force is not always the right answer - but it should be considered. Individual liberty must be the foundation of societies, tollerating despotism and injustice in the world; standing by when people are dying is fucked up, if the opportunity to intervene presents itself and the benefits outweigh the costs then such a course of action must be considered.

I learnt to speak Greek in High School and went over there one summer, right now I am beginning to learn Farsi - all of this is because I am a dumbfuck redneck who doesn't want to know shit about the world.

Bush is not the greatest president ever, but today he is one of the few world leaders who reciognizes the threat from radical Islam and takes action to eliminate it in the long term, again cues on one of the MANY threads about the Iraq war.

You drop in here now, and choose to lecture Headache and I about how dumb we each are, rather amusing considering your contributions to FYM over the past year have been minor. We have each maintained solid discussion on the issues before and will do so again, I can talk the talk but the election is just finished and frankly I want to kick back and celebrate.

The pretentious "Bush supporters are typical rednecks" attitude only makes you look petty. Now this libertarian right wing death beast shall move on (.org).

P.S. I am fiercely pro-Israeli and yet I come from a non-relgious family, no nutjob second coming evangelical supporter here, just one who believes that Israel - a pluralist liberal democratic state - should be preserved in the face of terrorism by the PLO Arabs and their paymasters.

 

[hiphop]

it's clear you don't support bush and oppose those who are happy that bush won

If you knew details about purgatory, you wouldn´t have attacked me, because you would´ve known we´re probably all gonna have a big grill there, thank you very much, thank you very much.

Not supporting Bush doesn´t make me a supporter of Kerry at all. I haven´t been brainwashed by with-or-against-us propaganda. Sure, imo Kerry would have been a better choice than Bush, but I didn´t support him actively. After all, he is just a politician, and far from idealizing, I think he wouldn´t have brought peace, love, spirit and good fortune to all the world at once.

I know where I stand, so it is useless to try to force a political direction on me. Long-time conservative members of this board will assure you that I have my own political agenda.

As to your terrorist argument, that´s ridiculous and I am not going to waste any time explaining you what the difference between "collateral damage" and terrorists is.

At the moment, I will not post another picture.

I just hope that your soul will be learning sometime.

However, once touched by the negative powers, I know it is very difficult to change sides.

Windy city New Yorkers might call me dreamer and idealist, tree-hugger, hippie and utopist (of which I am none) but you know, that doesn´t matter at all

I am very realistic about fighting evil.

 

[popacrobat]

this guys spectacular insight?

the same guy who said the united states is going to fall because bush got re elected?

the same guy who said this is the beginning of the end of our civilization?

his post reassures me if nothing else that i am indeed on the right train of thought if nothing else. if all you can do is insult me, fine, go right ahead. ill sit right here and shake my head right back at you pal.

but i'm just a typical redneck, right. i'm not even from the south. i live in connecticut, probably the second most liberal state in the country. believe it or not, there are sensible republicans in the northeast


im still not seeing how the innocent are getting killed. was it ok when sadaam killed his own people? then we go and liberate them from that, and we're the bad guys? get a grip.

you want to talk to a wall? talk to a mirror.

 

[MacPhisto066]

Oceane and Irvine, after reading all of your posts, I tend to agree with you most. I do have a strong belief (even though I have no pretention of holding the truth) that Presiden Bush's re-election ws due to the newly registered new-born christians in key states like Ohio and Florida. The Republicans simply came in bigger numbers than the democrats. Hats of to them for that. I just hope this does not turn into a war between two religious fanatics groups. I really hate terrorists. I don't like hypocrits any better, though. I am completely in disbelief myself that anyone in their right mind would vote for Bush. But hey, that's just me, everyone is entitled to his opinion.


As for the three other guys (I bet you'll figure out who I'm talking about), I am deeply sorry if I offend you , but I sincerely find your views shocking, insulting and disrespectful. Is it possible for you in any way, shape or form that the whole world does not have to agree with you ? You are not alone in this world, you know.

I see you running your mouth about Iraq and how they needed to be taken out because everybody who hates the US or disagrees with them is a threat. Did I get that right ? Damn. I guess you'll have to bomb the whole world to feel safe, then. Facts : no weapons of mass destruction. No diplomacy. Just bombs away, and screw the civilians. What ? Oh, there's oil in Iraq ? What a coincidence. How convenient. And meanwhile, Bin Laden is still at large and moving one with the terrorist menace.

I don't pretend to know the absolute truth but take a lok at it, guys. 20, 50, 100 countries to one tend to agree. And don't give me that BS about the UK backing you up. The british disagree with their Prime Minister. And the jewish vote went strongly democrat.

I guess itù,s asking too much for you to open your eyes. Maybe you don't know any better. And did anybody tell you that you must show class in victory as well ? Congratulations, you won. Good for you. Enough with your pathetic dances and yhe waving.

But with such an attitude, my 3 friends, I do feel you're turning your back on the world. But I'm not mad at you. You are U2 fans, as I am, and we have some things in common.

But one day, you WILL get what's coming to you. As will America.

 

[speedracer]

Stl, I was being sarcastic about U2_Guy's "spectacular insight". I apologize if that wasn't clear.

 

[popacrobat]

If you knew details about purgatory, you wouldn´t have attacked me, because you would´ve known we´re probably all gonna have a big grill there, thank you very much, thank you very much.

Not supporting Bush doesn´t make me a supporter of Kerry at all. I haven´t been brainwashed by with-or-against-us propaganda. Sure, imo Kerry would have been a better choice than Bush, but I didn´t support him actively. After all, he is just a politician, and far from idealizing, I think he wouldn´t have brought peace, love, spirit and good fortune to all the world at once.

I know where I stand, so it is useless to try to force a political direction on me. Long-time conservative members of this board will assure you that I have my own political agenda.

As to your terrorist argument, that´s ridiculous and I am not going to waste any time explaining you what the difference between "collateral damage" and terrorists is.

At the moment, I will not post another picture.

I just hope that your soul will be learning sometime.

However, once touched by the negative powers, I know it is very difficult to change sides.

Windy city New Yorkers might call me dreamer and idealist, tree-hugger, hippie and utopist (of which I am none) but you know, that doesn´t matter at all

I am very realistic about fighting evil.

ok, well i had figured you were a kerry supporter so i apologize for labeling you that.

still, i know what purgatory is and i know what its all about. everybodys going to be going there for however long we are there for. however you insinuated that supporting bush meant we'd have a bigger plate on our hands once we got there. but, if you want to try and spin it any other way, that's fine, but it's clear that was the objective of your post to say that people who supported bush were going to have more time in purgatory than others.

 

[U2_Guy]

im still not seeing how the innocent are getting killed. was it ok when sadaam killed his own people? then we go and liberate them from that, and we're the bad guys? get a grip.

you want to talk to a wall? talk to a mirror.

What more TV.

And...go liberate the iraq ppl from Sadaam? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Do you still believe in Santa Claus?

Can you read PETROL?

 

[popacrobat]

Stl, I was being sarcastic about U2_Guy's "spectacular insight". I apologize if that wasn't clear.

my fault then. tough to tell whats sarcastic today, especially on the 'net

 

[hiphop]

Innocent people die in war, they get their legs blown off, they get their brains splattered across back walls - it is not pretty nor is it a good thing.

Innocent people also die in the peace, they are starved to death, die from diseases that would be treatable if the resources were getting to the hospitals, they are tortured to death and cut to pieces by the mukabarat.

There is always a cost, through action or inaction - nobody should forget that.

True. That´s why I don´t agree with the Churchill you´ve been quoting there. Even the cost of a single injured person is far too high to advocate "taking action" with arms.

If you beg to differ, I encourage you to learn by having closer contact to the ones you are speaking of. I´ve been around, so I have (not only) seen my share.

"It´s not pretty nor is it a good thing" is not enough, because you base your judgement solely on your intellect. Not your heart, and not your soul.