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Old 11-04-2004, 03:34 PM   #376
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Just FYI, no one in my religion says "I am LDS, therefore I'm saved." That doesn't mean you're saved at ALL.

Umm, if I was a guy and I loved another guy I'd choose homosexuality still.

That's ridiculous. Believe me, it's not easy to choose my religion. You also have to believe it's all true. You have to believe that there's a better life for you if you live worthily. It's no easier, especially not when you are persecuted for your beliefs.

If a gay person believes in being gay strong enough because they love someone, or they just truly believe they're gay then they're going to choose it. It does something for them just like religion does something for those who choose it.

I really don't see the difference.

I think that they choose it because it makes them happy and feel good, at least at the moment, and that makes it worth it to them, just like with religious people.

It's not easier for a religious person like me in my religion to be religious than it is for a homosexual to be homosexual. And BOTH holds promise for these people or they wouldn't choose it.
Well you have no ability to even understand the simplist analogy so this discussion is useless.
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Old 11-04-2004, 03:35 PM   #377
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really? where? could you show it to me?
Some day you'll see it.
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Old 11-04-2004, 03:38 PM   #378
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Some day you'll see it.

i don't believe that at all.

still, certainty has it's comforts i suppose.
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Just FYI, no one in my religion says "I am LDS, therefore I'm saved." That doesn't mean you're saved at ALL.
Really? That's too bad. But I guess we should save that topic for a different discussion.
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Old 11-04-2004, 03:46 PM   #380
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Really? That's too bad. But I guess we should save that topic for a different discussion.
I mean, that it still takes works. "Faith without works is dead."
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I am aware of the works doctrine

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this not from yourselves, it is a gift from God - not by works, so that no one can boast."
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Old 11-04-2004, 03:54 PM   #382
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Some more interesting post-election news...

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Aides: Ashcroft Likely to Leave AG Post

By CURT ANDERSON, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Attorney General John Ashcroft (news - web sites) is likely to leave his post before the start of President Bush (news - web sites)'s second term, senior aides said Thursday.




Ashcroft, 62, is described as exhausted from leading the Justice Department (news - web sites) in fighting the domestic war on terrorism since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Stress was a factor in Ashcroft's health problems earlier this year that resulted in removal of his gall bladder.


Ashcroft is expected to resign before Bush's Jan. 20 inauguration, said aides who spoke only on condition of anonymity. They said there is a small chance he would stay on, at least for a short time, if Bush asked him.


The attorney general has not officially informed his staff of his future plans, spokesman Mark Corallo said.


At a news conference, Bush said he hasn't made any decisions about his Cabinet.


Ashcroft, a former two-term governor and senator from Missouri, has long been a favorite among Bush's base of religious conservatives. He also is a lightning rod for Democrats and other critics on issues ranging from the anti-terrorism Patriot Act, which expanded rules for eavesdropping, to abortion rights and gun control.


Names that have been floated in recent weeks as a possible replacement include Ashcroft's former deputy, Larry Thompson, who would become the first black attorney general. Others include Marc Racicot, who was Bush's campaign manager, and White House general counsel Alberto Gonzales, who would give Bush a notable Hispanic appointment.


Also sometimes mentioned is former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani (news - web sites), but his spokeswoman said he's not interested. "Rudy Giuliani is not taking John Ashcroft's job," Sunny Mindel said.


Mindel said Giuliani is committed to the success of his business and government consulting firm.


Giuliani, a former prosecutor, is considered a possible presidential contender in 2008. Those political aspirations could be hampered by the controversies inherent in the top Justice Department job.
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Well Giuliani doesn't want that thankless job so my bets are on Larry Thompson.

There goes an American patriot/ hero

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Some good may come out of this afterall.
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Already, Bush is bringing both sides together.... Viva la Bush!
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I am aware of the works doctrine

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this not from yourselves, it is a gift from God - not by works, so that no one can boast."
Yes, but after ALL YOU CAN DO.
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Already, Bush is bringing both sides together.... Viva la Bush!
I hope so.

I hope this election really woke him up and made him see. I think that's what many people were after when they DID vote for him so strongly, and put Republicans so strongly in the house, etc., because they were saying, hey Bush, we want you, but wise up, we want to work together.
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I liked Bush's conference. He said some good things - it actually even gave me a little hope that things might be different than his first term. Now lets see if he follows through on his word.

And boy am I glad to see Ashcroft go. Any man who spends taxpayer's money to cover up a breast on a statue should not be in a position with that much power.
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Yes, but after ALL YOU CAN DO.
Where does it say that?
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And boy am I glad to see Ashcroft go. Any man who spends taxpayer's money to cover up a breast on a statue should not be in a position with that much power.
The man honestly though calico cats were satanic.

The way I look at it, is the only way you can replace him with someone worse is if Jerry Faldwell or one of the Backstreet Boys took his place. Bush, please don't prove me wrong.
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