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Old 09-24-2004, 11:44 AM   #106
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Elvis, I think you got a point here "I think 'we' grossly underestimate the impact of ignorance and lack of taking responsibility for one's self.", but I think you really must include "lack of taking responsibility for oneself and everyone else in close relationships with that person."

If people can't even take responsibility for themselves... how the hell can they take responsibility for others?

Now, here is an interesting scenario...

Would you rather your 14 yr old son learn about sex from a video... or the girl next door?

Oh... neither?

Yes... then that would mean that parents would have to take responsibility for themselves, and the need/want to educate their children.

Ignorance is not bliss.
Ignorance only breeds more ignorance.
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Old 09-24-2004, 12:26 PM   #107
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Like all other vices (and I don't see porn as being worse of a vice than any other), it leads to dishonesty, distrust, denial, etc. I know Elvis wants numbers and I don't have any, but what I DO know is that I've seen porn destroy WAY more relationships that it has enriched.
If it's view secretly, then how do you know this? Just like anything else you really don't know it's going on most of the time until it does become a problem. A lot of "normal" people in "normal" relationships can be viewing porn together right now and you would never know it until it became an issue.

Should we label all forms of fantasy bad and hense get rid of them? People fantasize, it's part of healthy human sexuality. Be it through soap operas, romance novels, or porn why does it matter? None of these are true realities of relationships.

Porn is like anything else, it can be abused. But label it bad because of that? Then label alcohol, religion, work, internet, etc as bad also.
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Ignorance is not bliss.
Ignorance only breeds more ignorance.
Often quite literally breeds!
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Old 09-24-2004, 01:56 PM   #109
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Porn is like anything else, it can be abused. But label it bad because of that? Then label alcohol, religion, work, internet, etc as bad also.
You know I was just thinking something similar. You could exchange any word you listed (alcohol, religion, work, internet, and many more) for porn in virtually all arguments (be they pro, con, or neutral) and the argument would make the same sense. Anything can be abused.

I think a lot of porn is bad porn...but with a little better plot line, better actors, a bigger budget....
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Old 09-25-2004, 01:13 AM   #110
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Well my point of view is more or less same as Elvis.

I am neutral on this issue. But there are lot of vices associated to pornography that needs to be eliminated ( apart from ugly women issue which is a very valid point )

I mean

1) Pornography involving non-consenting people
2) Pornography involving people < 18 years old ( consenting or non-consenting)
3) Pornographic sites in office or school or such places.
4) Leaving pornography material where a minor could access
5) Hidden pornography
6) Pretending to accidently show pornography
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The list goes on but just because a thing can be mis-used doesnt mean it should be banned or something like that.

I also dont buy the argument " pornography is better than war" argument..or "if pornography is bad, internet is also bad"..and
analogies which are not simply correct.

Analogy is a tool which is usually misused more so on this FORUM
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As an admin at lan parties I have had to deal with this quite a bit.

The general rule of thumb I use>

Softcore Porn - Fine knock yourself out

Hardcore Porn - Go on you dirty fecker

Anything Illegal - You see this brick, look at what it does to your box!
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1) Pornography involving non-consenting people
2) Pornography involving people < 18 years old ( consenting or non-consenting)
3) Pornographic sites in office or school or such places.
4) Leaving pornography material where a minor could access
5) Hidden pornography
6) Pretending to accidently show pornography
These for all intents and purposes are criminal acts. It's somewhat of a seperate issue. Someone can drink drive and kill someone on the roads and alcohol is the problem, but it is still manslaughter and a criminal offence. People can argue the virtues for example of porn where there are children in blue movies, but it isn't JUST porn. It is a criminal act. The issue then becomes much bigger and should be wrong by everyone's standards.

Like all the comparisons that have been listed throughout this thread each in its own way in moderate and safe use is probably fine. But when porn starts affecting relationships it is bad. When it is filmed and all parties aren't aware or old enough, it is a crime. When alcohol is consumed sensibly and moderately, it is no drama. When it becomes such a habit that it destroys families it is morally and so on arguable. When it results in car accidents, again it is a crime and the initial problem becomes something more.

So i guess what I think is trhat in and of itself it is and shouldnt be a big deal. When it changes to something else, it is a problem and a real one. Common sense says this.

*this has been edited, but to fix a sentence which was garbled.
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Old 09-25-2004, 01:32 AM   #113
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Dare I ask what an admin at an 'Ian' party is?

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Old 09-25-2004, 03:22 AM   #114
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Local Area Network Party. Admin duties entail keeping the network and power running as well as the competitions, checkins, food, drink and about 1000 other little things that can go wrong very easily.

Basically its a 2 day (usually) event where people bring their computers and play games against eachother for prizes. Its a bit of fun and there is trivia etc. But there is also a hell of a lot of filesharing (Gigabit ethernet is very, very, very good for this - admin privalage). And as one might imagine porn enters the filesharing and things can get a little interesting.
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Old 09-25-2004, 03:39 AM   #115
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I thought that said Ian as in...Ian Roberts, or who's another famous Ian....I know what a LAN party is though lol.
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Old 09-25-2004, 03:44 AM   #116
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lol, an ian party that involves pr0n in some way - now that would be funny and somewhat scary at the same time.
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