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Old 09-24-2004, 06:49 AM   #76
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I didnt actually mean you as one of the impassioned folk liv luv. take a deep breath.

please lets move on guys.
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Ultimately, it's not the porn, the cigarettes, the alcohol, or the people that make it that are to blame for our problems...

Blame the lack of education, the lack of parental or family guidance, the lack of love, the lack of basic communication skills, the lack of self-esteem, etc.

You can argue both sides of pro porn vs con porn all day long... and both sides will have valid points. The lack of self responsibility in today's world is sickening.

Has anyone heard of self control? free will?

If people want to live in a fantasy world, they'll do so no matter what. Humans may have the ability to be logical, rational creatures... but they willingly rarely take advantage of said ability.

It's always easier to BLAME something, or someone else, than to take responsiblity isn't it?

If you dont like porn, dont watch it.
If you dont like to smoke, dont smoke.
If you dont like to read, dont read.
If you dont want skin cancer, dont go in the sun.
If you dont want to be a drunk, dont drink.
If you dont like spedning so much time on the 'net, then dont spend so much time on the 'net.
If you dont like spyware, then dont install stuff without reading the documentation.
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Old 09-24-2004, 07:10 AM   #78
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what elvis said
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If you dont like porn, dont watch it.
If you dont like to smoke, dont smoke.
If you dont like to read, dont read.
If you dont want skin cancer, dont go in the sun.
If you dont want to be a drunk, dont drink.
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This would be a great philosophy if our actions never affected another person.

The non-drinking family of an alcoholic gets little here.
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You can argue both sides of pro porn vs con porn all day long... and both sides will have valid points. The lack of self responsibility in today's world is sickening.
Yes and that's why we need laws - if everyone in the world would behave responsible - wow, paradise on earth

Sadly there are many things which just won't work out if everyone can do what he wants to do. This is not related to porn but a general statement
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This would be a great philosophy if our actions never affected another person.

The non-drinking family of an alcoholic gets little here.
If you don't like something/someone, change it or get away from it.

The world isnt a perfect place, and it never will be. That said.. we all still have free will.

If someone is to young or physically unable to get away or change a situation that's another matter entirely.
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Yes and that's why we need laws - if everyone in the world would behave responsible - wow, paradise on earth

Sadly there are many things which just won't work out if everyone can do what he wants to do. This is not related to porn but a general statement

I never suggested 'do what you want'. If you read the quoted statement in the context of my post you will see that I simply, and logically, state that if you dont like something.. don't do it.
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But certain behaviors have externalities that the individual is not willing to be responsible for.

Pure free will, without society imposing levels of responsibility, is anarchy.
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I know you didn't suggest it - i had just that vison - what a wonderful world this could be if everyone would behave in a way that "do what you want" would be no problem for society
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But certain behaviors have externalities that the individual is not willing to be responsible for.

Pure free will, without society imposing levels of responsibility, is anarchy.


NB, I was suggesting that people need to be responsible for their own choices... not suggesting how to help someone who is unwilling to assume resonsibility for themselves.

Again, I was not suggesting that people should go out and do whatever they want. I was stating that people are able to choose NOT to do something.

Let's stay on topic, shall we?

There is a difference between external victimization and self victimization.
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NB, I was suggesting that people need to be responsible for their own choices... not suggesting how to help someone who is unwilling to assume resonsibility for themselves.

Again, I was not suggesting that people should go out and do whatever they want. I was stating that people are able to choose NOT to do something.

Let's stay on topic, shall we?

There is a difference between external victimization and self victimization.
I agree with elvis wholeheartedly on this


I'd say more but would just be a different wording of the above post.

Sometimes you can't fight something you can only not choose to make it part of your life.
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NB, I was suggesting that people need to be responsible for their own choices... not suggesting how to help someone who is unwilling to assume resonsibility for themselves.

Again, I was not suggesting that people should go out and do whatever they want. I was stating that people are able to choose NOT to do something.

Let's stay on topic, shall we?

There is a difference between external victimization and self victimization.
I guess my point is that with the topic of Pornography: good or bad, the fact that the individual can choose to use or not use pornography doesn't fully answer the question. I say it is bad because it has consequences for the non-viewer.
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I say it is bad because it has consequences for the non-viewer.

What if it has good consequences for the non-viewer?

I know plenty of real life situations where this is the case.
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Then, it would be a balancing case. For all things labeled "bad" there may be situations where it is "good".
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That sounds an awful lot like moral relativism.
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