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Old 11-30-2005, 04:30 PM   #46
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I AM AWARE OF THIS - however, it seems priests will do anything that moves -whether child or adult - and they seem to be male
way to not make a sweeping generalization
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some people who have no social or moral value in the eyes of the Vatican:
It might be splitting hairs here, but it's worth pointing out that technically the writing focuses on homosexuality, not homosexuals -- on activity, not individuals.

I realize the one is probably as the other here. There is however a train of thought which says that sexual activity is not and should not be identified as the ultimate defining characteristic of one's identity.

Not being Catholic, I'm not in a position to defend the writing either way, however...
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which makes me wonder ... might they ordane priests who are gay, but are exclusive, total tops?

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It might be splitting hairs here, but it's worth pointing out that technically the writing focuses on homosexuality, not homosexuals -- on activity, not individuals.

I realize the one is probably as the other here. There is however a train of thought which says that sexual activity is not and should not be identified as the ultimate defining characteristic of one's identity.

Not being Catholic, I'm not in a position to defend the writing either way, however...


quite simply, homosexual/ality is something you are not something you do. the distinction also reduces individuals down to a specific sexual act, which is not interchangeable with the word homosexuality.

i understand the distinction you highlight, but that distinction (also made by the Vatican) is predicated upon a fundamental misunderstanding that posits homosexuality as not heteroseuxality, just with the same gender, but as something different and therefore inferior.

it is really rather painful to see an orientation, a whole way of relating to human beings, reduced to a sex act.

to be perfectly blunt, homosexuality is not ass fucking.

is heterosexuality only vaginal intercourse?
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is heterosexuality only vaginal intercourse?
yes, in some denominations
particularly is the southern United States


or for those lacking imagination and/or inititive
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it is really rather painful to see an orientation, a whole way of relating to human beings, reduced to a sex act.
How exactly do homosexuals relate differently to human beings? That very blanket statement needs to be unpacked a little more.

I mean, isn't what we're talking about here a sense of common humanity that runs deeper than our sexuality, that ties us together, which is what makes it uncomfortable for the Church (seemingly) to write off a whole group of people who otherwise might be considered heroes?
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How exactly do homosexuals relate differently to human beings? That very blanket statement needs to be unpacked a little more.

I mean, isn't what we're talking about here a sense of common humanity that runs deeper than our sexuality, that ties us together, which is what makes it uncomfortable for the Church (seemingly) to write off a whole group of people who otherwise might be considered heroes?


no, what i'm saying is that sexuality and sexual orientation is a way of relating to human beings, it is more than the sex act. do you relate to women with whom you are sexually attracted to in a different manner than you do your mother? your sister? your aunt? your married co-workers? sexuality is a mysterious, complex thing, and it only seems to get reduced to fucking when it involves two men of the same gender (lesbians get ignored). i am not saying that homosexuals relate differently to people, or at least any more differently than any other minority group might relate to people as a result of their (oft-persecuted) social status.

i agree with your 2nd sentence.

it is the church that can't get beyond the desire for a particular kind of sex act that is incidental to an orientation.

if gay priests are celibate, just what is the issue?

this is where the Vatican reveals it's deep ignorance and convenient bigotry.
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Here's another gay person WITH alot of moral and social value:

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is heterosexuality only vaginal intercourse?
I think that this question was answered effectively enough by Clinton.

The real problem will come when the Church allows priests to marry because then the entire situation issue becomes more stark. Whats the difference between a homosexual and heterosexual if they both abstain?
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I have nothing worhty to contribute yet, though it is another interesting FYM read. Personally, this is just one more reason why I feel awkward when I do happen to obeserve mass with my stepmom; I cannot fully believe in the Catholic religion.
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Let's be honest: the Pope is a cross-dresser. Have you seen what the Pope wears? How he can accuse anyone of being gay is beyond me...unless...it takes one to know one
note: i do not think all gay people cross-dress
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he is Pope Beendicked
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is heterosexuality only vaginal intercourse?
that depends on what your deffinition of the word is is.
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if gay priests are celibate, just what is the issue?
well quite simply the catholic church has chosen to remain ignorant on this issue... they feel that if a priest is attracted to men that he would be more likely to act on an alter boy or something like that... despite the fact that it is a known fact that pedophillia does not = homesexuality.

this is not some hidden secret... the church choses to ignore it though.

i suggest pope benedict refer to the case of big gay al vs. mr. slippyfist... judged by the honorable matt stone and trey parker, esquire, of course.
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Let's be honest: the Pope is a cross-dresser. Have you seen what the Pope wears? How he can accuse anyone of being gay is beyond me...unless...it takes one to know one
note: i do not think all gay people cross-dress


actually, most cross-dressers are straight.

drag queens, however, are gay.

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