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Old 11-21-2006, 06:45 PM   #46
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Melon is ovbiously quite intelligent. I actually have no doubt that some day - if he so wanted, he would make a good priest. I mean that with all sincerity. However, he has to look at the Bible not as a tool to cut and paste to defeat conservatives - but as the genuine, living, breathing Word of God.
Flowery condescension? Check!

Refusal to acknowledge non-fundamentalist Christian denominations? Check!

I started arguing at a fundamentalist level, contrary to my own theological background, out of the assumption that "fundamentalism" meant a strict adherence to the text of the Bible. As such, I took it upon myself to study the Bible critically, in the tradition of Pope Pius XII's encyclical, to see for myself if conservative Christian traditional interpretations were correct.

I discovered how tremendously wrong they were, and I discussed them here with the hope that people would see that man's prejudices were not God's prejudices.

Instead, I discovered that man enjoyed his prejudices all too well.

If you're looking for a deviant motivation to my arguments, then you're just grasping for straws. In fact, since I started my Biblical scholarship over these last six years, I have come closer to the opinion that the Bible is not all that bad or contradictory, really, if you can critically understand the history, culture, and circumstances behind what was written.

The thing is, my scholarship has led to a rejection of traditional interpretations. And these interpretations are not out of a vacuum. There's many scholars out there who share the same conclusions that I have come to, and I have properly cited from them where appropriate.

And, as for your snide comparison of me to a cult leader, I should only be so blessed to be condemned by a heretic like yourself.
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[Q]Melon has found in the Bible a justification for what he wanted to believe before he studied it. David Koresh can do that. Jim Jones can do that. Heck, I used to do it.
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And you see nothing wrong with comparing a homosexual seaking justification to live and love like everyone else with David Koresh and Jim Jones.

Do you have a clue how sick it is to those of us who come from more liberal churches, who worship, share communion, feed the homeless, together with married homosexual couples, with adopted children to get viewed in the same vein as these people.

Take the log out of your own eye.
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Does it make me a libertarian nutjob if I suggest that we get the government out of the marriage business entirely and leave it to individuals to make their own legal arrangements?
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Melon has mis-represented so many Bible versus I would have to drop school to respond to each one of them.
Read your own posts much? Come on, I and others have pointed out so many of your inconsistancies and contradictions it's not even funny...
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Does it make me a libertarian nutjob if I suggest that we get the government out of the marriage business entirely and leave it to individuals to make their own legal arrangements?
Nah...it makes you smarter than the rest of us....and where the heck have you been??? You are a welcome sight!
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Does it make me a libertarian nutjob if I suggest that we get the government out of the marriage business entirely and leave it to individuals to make their own legal arrangements?
Not at all. I've welcomed libertarian suggestions that government should only confer "civil unions." However, I'm not about to accept a double standard, where the government grants marriages to heterosexual couples and civil unions to gay couples. If the government is going to grant civil unions, it should be done equally to both opposite-sex and same-sex unions.
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Ahem. Ladies and gentlemen, may I have your attention please? I would like to make an important announcement: the elemental difference between gay marriage and polygamy in America.

Right now, there exists a double standard. Marriage is offered to some people, but not others. That is, marriage is available to straight couples but not gay ones. This is what we call "INEQUALITY." Polygamy is available to neither gay couples nor straight couples. It is equally unavailable to everyone.

Thus, gay people have a legitimate complaint that they are being discriminated against based on their orientation. Polygamists do not, because they are not being singled out from anyone.

Thank you for your attention. You may now resume talking out of your asses.
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I should only be so blessed to be condemned by a heretic like yourself.
Well, it's been a week since I've been called a heretic. Of course, I've been here in London on business - so I guess, out of sight - out of mind.

In case you missed it - I did throw my own name into the list of characters. My point was - it is possible for anyone to justify just about anything in the Bible - if they are only wish to see what they want to see.

If you enter Biblical Scholarship merely to provide debate points - then that's what you'll find.

I can selectively interpret any passage out of context and make it mean whatever I want it to mean.

Yes, I am sure you can find scholars to agree with you. I have searched some of your findings and found them on gay rights web sights designed to argue with conservative Christians.

I do not think I am a man that holds a lot of prejudice. I am sure you disagree, because I am "bigoted" enough to think the Bible says homosexual sex is wrong. But I do not harbor any ill feeling toward a homosexual or think of them as anything less than any other human being struggling to make their way in this world. This world is tough, for all of us, not just the gays. We all are victims of prejudice, hatred, jealousy, and discord.
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[Q]Melon has found in the Bible a justification for what he wanted to believe before he studied it. David Koresh can do that. Jim Jones can do that. Heck, I used to do it.
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And you see nothing wrong with comparing a homosexual seaking justification to live and love like everyone else with David Koresh and Jim Jones.

Do you have a clue how sick it is to those of us who come from more liberal churches, who worship, share communion, feed the homeless, together with married homosexual couples, with adopted children to get viewed in the same vein as these people.

Take the log out of your own eye.
ummm...I think I did put myself on that list bro.
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Does it make me a libertarian nutjob if I suggest that we get the government out of the marriage business entirely and leave it to individuals to make their own legal arrangements?
Perahps you ARE right. Why should the government get involved in the marriage business. Why should we deny the chance for someone to do what is right in their own eyes.


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I agree. While we are at it - let's let brothers and sisters marry. As long as it is consensual - anything goes! How about whole towns? Cities? States? Just think of the wonderful, consensual possibilities!


Just curious - who said 18 should be legal? In some states it 16. Why not 14? 11? 4? 1? Who are we to judge?

Actually - who said mutual consent is a requirement? Where in the world did this dumb rule come from? All throughout history women never had consent. I say - if I point at you - you are now my wife!
Why would I want the government to get in the way with my desire? It would be so - intolerant and bigoted for others to force their 11th century views on me....
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ummm...I think I did put myself on that list bro.
In the past tense. Not a very modest admission whatsoever.
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Well, it's been a week since I've been called a heretic. Of course, I've been here in London on business - so I guess, out of sight - out of mind.
No, I called you one yesterday, and you actually replied to the post. Makes me wonder how closely you read what I write.

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In case you missed it - I did throw my own name into the list of characters. My point was - it is possible for anyone to justify just about anything in the Bible - if they are only wish to see what they want to see.
You didn't put yourself in that list. You put your "heathen" past life in that list before you were "born again." In fundamentalist Christianspeak, that's meant to be an insult.

You might think that my Biblical scholarship is only restricted to gay issues.

But, yet, when it came to the question of Jewish law and adultery, you were completely clueless. It makes me wonder about how many other questions of Biblical scholarship that you are unaware of, despite claiming to be an expert on this subject.

I've demonstrated my knowledge time and time again. You might disagree with my conclusions, but, I, at least, back up my assertions, rather than just saying, "Gee...the Holy Spirit must not be guiding your Bible interpretations, because you didn't come up to the same conclusion as me." If that's your answer for everything, then, I'm sorry. It's a piss-poor response.

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If you enter Biblical Scholarship merely to provide debate points - then that's what you'll find.

I can selectively interpret any passage out of context and make it mean whatever I want it to mean.
So shall I take this to be an official confession?

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Mind telling me how this prejudice, hatred, jealousy, and discord has affected how you live your life?
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Mind telling me how this prejudice, hatred, jealousy, and discord has affected how you live your life?
And how he's been denied basic rights because of it. That would be enlightening as well.
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Why would I want the government to get in the way with my desire? It would be so - intolerant and bigoted for others to force their 11th century views on me....
Because of the fucking harm principle!

This thread is honestly beneath most of us but in the event you don't get it, this is why we need consent:

Your freedom ends where public or private peril begins.
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No, I called you one yesterday, and you actually replied to the post. Makes me wonder how closely you read what I write.
I must have forgotten. But I was mostly thinking of my friends back home. They call me a "heretic" all of the time for my liberal views - if you can believe it.


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But, yet, when it came to the question of Jewish law and adultery, you were completely clueless. It makes me wonder about how many other questions of Biblical scholarship that you are unaware of, despite claiming to be an expert on this subject.
I am only on year three - I guess there is still hope that I'll come to your conclusions...


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I've demonstrated my knowledge time and time again.
You have not made a single point that I wasn't able to find in a google search and read in a gay activists web site on "how to argue with a Christian fundamentalist." Don't take youself too seriously here.

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You might disagree with my conclusions, but, I, at least, back up my assertions, rather than just saying, "Gee...the Holy Spirit must not be guiding your Bible interpretations, because you didn't come up to the same conclusion as me." If that's your answer for everything, then, I'm sorry. It's a piss-poor response.
I'm sorry you don't see the importance of the Holy Spirit in understanding Scripture. Would you like the Biblical quotes that support this?

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Mind telling me how this prejudice, hatred, jealousy, and discord has affected how you live your life?
We are all in this together. Every action we perform has an effect on others - whether we see it or not.
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