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Old 07-06-2003, 10:01 PM   #31
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I believe the laws in this country allow each citizen to vote at most once.
I am not in "this country."
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In what sense?

You'd better bring your A-game if you want to argue probability with a mathematician...
We do not elect Presidents on one man one vote.

A candidate needs 270 electoral votes of the 538 to be elected President.

A vote from a person voting in V. P. Cheney’s state of Wyoming has over almost times the value of nbcrudsader’s vote in California.
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We do not elect Presidents on one man one vote.

A candidate needs 270 electoral votes of the 538 to be elected President.

A vote from a person voting in V. P. Cheney’s state of Wyoming has over almost times the value of nbcrudsader’s vote in California.
I think you left out the number 18 in your post, 18 being the ratio of California's electoral college (54) to Wyoming's (3).

So a voter in Wyoming has 18x the power of a voter in California to influence his state's electoral college. But that's exactly cancelled out because the Wyoming electoral college is 1/18th the size of California's.

Actually, what I wrote isn't quite true. California has 52 representatives and Wyoming 1 because Wyoming has roughly 1/52 the population of California. (Actually, looking at population figures it's closer to 1/72.) So it is true, a voter in Wyoming has 72/18 = 4 times the power of a voter in California. I doubt that's what you meant though.

The other point that could be raised is that in a state dominated by one party (say, Democrats in Massachusetts), a voter of the other party is almost powerless. I would counter by saying that (1) it's entirely possible that a bunch of voters who feel that way are staying at home and that there are enough of them to swing the electoral college vote in the other direction; and (2) I think that most voters' opinions are actually much more pliable than we realize and that they could be persuaded to change their votes if only the candidates and campaigners were more eloquent and persuasive.

Anyway, the electoral college is clearly a dinosaur and should be revoked. People say that without it, candidates will campaign only in densely populated areas, but I say that with the explosion of media in recent years, anybody who cares enough about voting can educate him or herself about the candidates.
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14 against Bush : 5 for Bush
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Old 07-06-2003, 11:34 PM   #35
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Ahhh, Thanks Melon! Bush is doing a little better in this poll too, so far.
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I think you left out the number 18 in your post, 18 being the ratio of California's electoral college (54) to Wyoming's (3).

not correct

So a voter in Wyoming has 18x the power of a voter in California to influence his state's electoral college. But that's exactly cancelled out because the Wyoming electoral college is 1/18th the size of California's.

Actually, what I wrote isn't quite true. California has 52 representatives and Wyoming 1 because Wyoming has roughly 1/52 the population of California. (Actually, looking at population figures it's closer to 1/72.) So it is true, a voter in Wyoming has 72/18 = 4 times the power of a voter in California. I doubt that's what you meant though.

Wyoming has three electral votes CA has 54
1 delegate per 160,333 people, each vote has 3.77 the value of a vote in California. Wyoming has .1779% of the U S population and .5576% of electoral college, 538 total.)


The other point that could be raised is that in a state dominated by one party (say, Democrats in Massachusetts), a voter of the other party is almost powerless. I would counter by saying that (1) it's entirely possible that a bunch of voters who feel that way are staying at home and that there are enough of them to swing the electoral college vote in the other direction; and (2) I think that most voters' opinions are actually much more pliable than we realize and that they could be persuaded to change their votes if only the candidates and campaigners were more eloquent and persuasive.

all that does not matter, i am talking about the value of a vote if one chooses to vote.

Anyway, the electoral college is clearly a dinosaur and should be revoked. People say that without it, candidates will campaign only in densely populated areas, but I say that with the explosion of media in recent years, anybody who cares enough about voting can educate him or herself about the candidates.

I agree completly with you here. The GOP traditionally wrote off WV with only one campaign office. Karl Rove staffed 14 offices in 2000, even though it had only 5? votes.

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aol has stripped my voting preiveleges until i figure out how to adjust something so i can accept cookies...or something like that...


i would not vote for bush today, tomorrow, or anytime in the future.
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I'm not participating in this poll. As I cannot vote for the US presidential elections it is of no use to vote in this poll. That said, I do hope the US citizens choose a better president next time...

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These 2 threads have now been merged. If anyone wishes to vote, it might give a more reflective look at FYM's preferences. I would have put it in the merge, but dont want to fiddle with ballots etc.



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This discussion clearly is begging for another poll:

If you don't want Bush back in office, which non-Republican candidate do you want?

I may be voting for Bush, but I hope Howard Dean wins the Democratic nomination.
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I may be voting for Bush, but I hope Howard Dean wins the Democratic nomination.
If Dean wins the nomination, Bush is a two term president. That is of course barring any unforseen scandal.
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