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Old 01-20-2005, 02:03 PM   #46
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Maybe if women and minorities stopped asking to be treated special then they would be treated the same as everyone else. I'm not saying all women and minorities are attention hogs or anything, but people need to stop treating themselves like they're so special (remember the first black woman to get an academy award..?). If everyone's to be equal then... we need to treat everyone equally!!!
That's the biggest crock I've every heard. Until there's an even playing field for everyone and white men don't have an advantage in every way imaginable then your scenario will work but until then quit feeling sorry for yourself.
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That's the biggest crock I've every heard. Until there's an even playing field for everyone and white men don't have an advantage in every way imaginable then your scenario will work but until then quit feeling sorry for yourself.

that's what i was originally thinking ... thanks for saying it for me.
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actually, i had seen all the performances in all those movies, and i would have given her the Oscar. black or not, hers was the best performance, imho.
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but she got a little uppity
(you know how they can be)
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Maybe if women and minorities stopped asking to be treated special then they would be treated the same as everyone else. I'm not saying all women and minorities are attention hogs or anything, but people need to stop treating themselves like they're so special (remember the first black woman to get an academy award..?). If everyone's to be equal then... we need to treat everyone equally!!!
I agree with you, and Irvine had a great reply by the way. After so long, you can't help but think that if "BARRIER X" in our society shouldn't be treated special, than why are the same people who believe this treating it so special?
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you're right, people should be treated equally, but people are not treated equally. every day of my life i am told in some small way -- weather spoken or unspoken, communicated by a person or through an advertisement -- that there's something wrong with me. i'm fine with being different, but there is an automatic worth, if you will, assigned to the dominant culture. when you turn on the TV -- take the WB -- and all you see are rich white teens hurting each other's feelings, it's hard not to feel slightly on the outs if you are not rich and white and beautiful (and straight).

but, social messages aside, are women and minorities asking to be treated specially? the answer is probably yes and no. i think we're kidding ourselves if we think that history has no role with the way that race often determines socio-economic status in the US. i think we're kidding ourselves if we don't think that there are virtually no roles for women that don't involve the subordinate role of "wife" "mother" "girlfriend" or "prostitute with a heart of god." and it's even worse for women of color -- just how many roles do you see for Asian-American women out there? due to a lack of visible role models, it is very easy to write yourself out of a possible career path/dream because it doesn't seem possible for people like you. white people are rarely, if ever, made to feel this way.

two quotes come to mind:

Margaret Cho: "growing up, i wanted to be an actress, but there were virtually no asian women on TV; so i grew up thinking, 'one day, if i work really hard, i can be an extra on M*A*S*H!'"

indian friend of mine: "i loved The English Patient!!! best movie ever!!! not only was there an Indian character, but he got to actually have sex!!!!!! that never happens in movies!!!!"


it's not that women and minorities think they are special, but the are made aware of just how different they are every day. not a day goes by (... freudian writing slip ... i just typed "not a gay goes by" ... LOL at myself ...) that i'm not constantly aware of just how i'm different, and i have the luxury of being able to "pass." not so if you are a person of color.

ideally, recognizing accomplishments of people of color, or women, should be a means to an end. there can only be one "first african-american woman to win the Best Actress Oscar." after that, it's been done, the barrier has been broken, and we're getting used to it. will anyone notice that it's very likely that we will have 2 African American best male Oscar nominees this year (Jamie Foxx and Don Cheadle)? no, not really. it might be noticed, and commented upon, but it isn't a big deal anymore.
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