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Old 07-24-2005, 09:13 PM   #61
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Wow, at LEAST 16 weeks? I dont know about police training in pommieland, but once again, I'm glad of where I was born. Perhaps if I was raised and lived my entire life in the US, I'd feel differently, but as it stands, sometimes you guys say things which make absolutely no sense to me at all.

I'm with A_W. Lets wait for some explanations before vilifying, or putting these policemen up on pedestals. We dont know what happened.
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Its now a MISTAKE. He had NOTHING to do with the bombings at ALL.

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I'm with A_W. Lets wait for some explanations before vilifying, or putting these policemen up on pedestals. We dont know what happened.
It's the only sensible way forward really.
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kind of looks like a white guy


he may have even been a christian


maybe we should be more upset
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Wow, at LEAST 16 weeks? I dont know about police training in pommieland, but once again, I'm glad of where I was born. Perhaps if I was raised and lived my entire life in the US, I'd feel differently, but as it stands, sometimes you guys say things which make absolutely no sense to me at all.
I don't know what you're talking about.

But I misspoke. At the police department for which I worked, it was 16 weeks academy, and then 4 months on-the-job field training with a training officer. That's pretty standard for most departments.
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Old 07-25-2005, 01:24 AM   #66
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Sorry, again I forgot that simply due to complacency with familiarity with locations, things cant always be clear.

16 weeks just seems like a very short time to get trained as a police officer. It's only 4 months, and then another 4 under a more senior officer. I only go by comparisons, which are perhaps unwise, but here it's nearly a year at the academy which is is a live-in campus, and then you spend the following year as a probationary officer and follow a more senior officer around in their job. There was even talk, which I'm not sure but think it did eventuate, of prospective officers needing to be post graduate from university to even apply.
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The officers were part of Scotland Yard's specialist firearms unit (SO19), who I imagine had more than the minimium amount of training. What I really don't understand is why they let him get on the bus if they thought he was carrying an explosive.
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The officers were part of Scotland Yard's specialist firearms unit (SO19), who I imagine had more than the minimium amount of training. What I really don't understand is why they let him get on the bus if they thought he was carrying an explosive.
I agree, armed police officers will have had considerably more than sixteen weeks training.

But they tried to stop him boarding a train - he was followed after leaving a property the police had under surveillance, he then went into a tube station at which point the police asked him to stop. He ignored them, jumped over a barrier and ran down a flight of stairs or escalator and boarded the train. Presumably the police did try to catch him since eye-witnesses report police officers chasing the man, but evidently they were unable to prevent him boarding the train.
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jeez guys. Put yourself in the officer's shoes for just one minute and you make the call.
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But they tried to stop him boarding a train - he was followed after leaving a property the police had under surveillance, he then went into a tube station at which point the police asked him to stop. He ignored them, jumped over a barrier and ran down a flight of stairs or escalator and boarded the train. Presumably the police did try to catch him since eye-witnesses report police officers chasing the man, but evidently they were unable to prevent him boarding the train.
From what I've read, though, the police followed him out of the flat as he caught a bus to the underground station. So they thought he had explosives and were happy to let him get on a bus full of people?

It's now looking like his visa had expired, so that may help to explain why he ran from the police at the tube station.
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I'm sorry, I totally misread your post and thought you'd asked why they let him get on the train.
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41 shots
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41 shots
41 shots
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41 shots
41 shots
41 shots....
and we'll take that ride
'cross this bloody river
to the other side
41 shots... cut through the night
You're kneeling over his body in the vestibule
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Is it a gun, is it a knife
Is it a wallet, this is your life
It ain't no secret
It ain't no secret
No secret my friend
You can get killed just for living
In your American skin

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If an officer stops you
Promise me you'll always be polite,
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Promise Mama you'll keep your hands in sight"

Is it a gun, is it a knife
Is it a wallet, this is your life
It ain't no secret
It ain't no secret
No secret my friend
You can get killed just for living
In your American skin

Is it a gun, is it a knife
Is it in your heart, is it in your eyes
It ain't no secret

41 shots... and we'll take that ride
'Cross this bloody river
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I've been looking this up on the internet and, whilst the exact number of weeks of training at each stage seems to vary between regional forces (so the metropolitian police training might be slightly longer than say, Humberside police), in England and Wales to become a fully qualified police constable (who would be unarmed and not eligable to carry a firearm) it takes two years (a mixture of training courses and probationary periods if you want details: http://www.policecouldyou.co.uk/defa...article&ID=358). So it's the same as in Australia.

Once probationary training is complete they can apply to join a firearms unit (the metropolitian police's fire arms unit is called SO19 as meeganie said). The SO19 training is here: http://www.met.police.uk/so19/training.htm and it seems to take about 5 weeks with 3 days training every six weeks when assigned to an Armed response unit.

I don't know if any of that's any use to anybody but people were talking about training. I just hope what I've said is actually right! There seems to some differences between regions and as for Scotland and NI training, I didn't even look, but in NI all(?) officiers are armed so I wonder how long they have to train? Anyway, if any of it's wrong then it was an honest mistake and I apologise.

Back on the subject, it does seem to me that training is extensive and agree with Angela Harlem and A_Wanderer, let's wait for the inquiry over this tragic event because, let's be honest, we don't know the full picture yet.

And Anitram, I heard that the family are considering suing the metropolitian police over this (according to the victim's cousin).
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jeez guys. Put yourself in the officer's shoes for just one minute and you make the call.
easy place to go for you?


is it hard to go in the completely innocent victim's place?

what if it was your wife? brother? child?
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is it hard to go in the completely innocent victim's place?
Completely innocent?

Honestly, it doesn't sound like it to me.
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