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Old 08-10-2006, 02:40 PM   #61
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I recently read something that makes a great deal of sense concerning the mindset of suicide bombers. I don't want to stereotype, but many suicide bombers are from Middle Eastern nations, and most are young men. In their cultures, they are forbidden from contact with women for much of their young lives. This, combined with the fact that they have raging libidos, causes them to blow themselves up in the name of Allah. Since the promise for the suicide bombers is direct passage to heaven, along with receiving 70 virgins once he gets there, many young, middle easterners (Muslims) embrace such an act. Plus the fact that they are being brainwashed and lied to.

I just feel really deeply for those people. They are being lied to, and they are living in a culture that they really cannot get out of. It just really sucks all around.
No, you certainly managed to avoid stereotyping

What on earth possesses you think that people living in the Middle East live in a culture that sucks and that they want to leave? It’s a truly inspiring level of cultural chauvinism you’ve managed to stoop to.

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Actually, that isn't the problem at all BonoVox. The problem lies with the fact that those countries embrace false ideas regarding who God is, and how to please him. They teach that Allah is pleased when they blow up 50 people that aren't Muslim. This is the root of the problem.
Wow, you managed to top it. And this statement has the benefit of being both culturally narrow-minded and insulting.

In case you were wondering: Suicice and murder are haram in Islam.
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So wait, they're blowing themselves up because they're sexually frustrated?

Now I've heard it all.
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Old 08-10-2006, 02:44 PM   #63
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False ideas about who God is. Wonderful! I'll make sure to mention to my Muslim boyfriend tonite when he gets on his knees to pray to Allah that he's wasting his time. He had been under the impression that praying, giving to the poor, showing hospitality, fasting and doing good works were pleasing to Allah. It's so good of you as an expert in all things Islamic to clear up this little misunderstanding.
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but most of their foot soldiers are angry young men from countries like Saudi Arabia.

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Saudi Arabia...impoverished? If these "angry young men" need a scapegoat (or root cause if you like) for their perceived victimhood perhaps they should be looking at their own largely socialistic, state-centered economy and the totalitarian monarchy that runs it.
Naaaaaa. "Kill the infidels" and "Death to America" is much catchier.
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Saudi Arabia...impoverished?
YES.

Most people in Saudi Arabia live in stunning poverty. The royal family, in bed with Bush and beloved by this administration, is possibly the most corrupt, oppressive, disgusting regime in the world, with utter disrespect for women or any freedom of expression. They live in palaces and horde all the money; the population aside from the elite lives in shameful poverty given the riches of their oil fields.
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Saudi Arabia...impoverished? If these "angry young men" need a scapegoat (or root cause if you like) for their perceived victimhood perhaps they should be looking at their own largely socialistic, state-centered economy and the totalitarian monarchy that runs it.
Naaaaaa. "Kill the infidels" and "Death to America" is much catchier.


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I never said every single person who lives in the Mid East is this way .... the ones murdering innocent people with suicide bombers are who we are talking about.
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Actually, mainstream Islam teaches that suicide is a sin.
Except in the case of jihad.
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And as I said ... we aren't talking about mainstream Muslim teachings ... we are talking about the small group of extremists that are actually committing these mass killings.

I never said Muslims are bad or anything. I know many Muslims that are good and nice people. However, this doesn't mean there are a few right now that are falling under ridiculous teachings.
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Except in the case of jihad.
Mainstream Islam teaches that suicide is haram also in the case of Jihad - especially since Jihad is not synonymous with holy war but refers to a personal, private struggle to follow the path to Allah as laid out in the Holy Q’uran.
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We all understand that mainstream Islam does not teach any of these radical ideas. I have been commenting only on the extreme Islamists ... which is what I figured this topic was about.
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And as I said ... we aren't talking about mainstream Muslim teachings ... we are talking about the small group of extremists that are actually committing these mass killings.

I never said Muslims are bad or anything. I know many Muslims that are good and nice people. However, this doesn't mean there are a few right now that are falling under ridiculous teachings.
You just claimed that Middle Eastern Muslim ‘countries embrace false ideas regarding who God is’. That sounds like a pretty general statement to me.
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Well then I apologize ... this entire time, I have meant to be only talking about the extreme Islamist groups.

However, cultural differences aside ... many Middle Eastern nations do still treat women in an unfair, and unjust manner.
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First off, I congratulate those who stopped the second 9/11 attack.

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I don't know, but I don't think we can chalk it up entirely to living lives of poverty and government oppression. Essentially all of Africa lives under the same conditions, with even worse poverty and more corrupt, bloodthirsty "leaders" but we haven't seen Africans massively take to blowing up western interests, targetting western civilians, suicide bombing and so on. And it isn't as if they wouldn't have justification given the state of their post-colonial existence which the west is largely responsible for.
Surprisingly, I totally agree, and find this to be a valid point. Poverty is no justification of Islamic Jihad. There are places all over the world where people live worse off than these lowlifes who preach hatred and violence. Terrorism causes poverty, not the other way around. Terrorist attacks have many intentions, and one of them is to destroy the economy of free and thriving nations of "infidels."

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So I would say you're partially correct but there are other social, cultural and possibly religious (nobody wants to say this outloud it seems ) factors that influence Islamic terrorism that are absent in other poor areas of the world.
The main factor is religious. To play the broken record of political correctness, not all muslims are fascists. Yet, if religious sects have nothing to do with it, then why are so many terrorist attacks around the world committed by muslim fanatics? As a result, there is no greater victim than a muslim who abides by the law.
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Old 08-10-2006, 03:48 PM   #75
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Well then I apologize ... this entire time, I have meant to be only talking about the extreme Islamist groups.

However, cultural differences aside ... many Middle Eastern nations do still treat women in an unfair, and unjust manner.
Which is disgusting but relevant to the topic at hand how?

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As a result, there is no greater victim than a muslim who abides by the law.
Again, that is a great generalisation. What would you have Muslims in the UK do? Break the law to live up to your expectations? I hope that I’m misunderstanding you.
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