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Old 08-11-2006, 03:04 PM   #181
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take a look at countries that are not victims of terrorists' attacks

and compare their foreign policy
to America's foreign policy

perhaps it is time to rethink
or better yet

think clearly about why America does what it does
in relationship to what it gets for what it does
yes consider indian policy..

terrorists kill 100 people every year in october... in DELHI

and then kill 200 people every year in June-July.. in MUMBAI

and the govt does absolutely nothing but oppose WARS in Afghanistan ( yes Indian govt opposed that war too) and opposed WAR in Iraq !!

and then terrorists kill more...
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Perfect timing for these announcements.

Perfect timing to distract the population from what is going on in the Middle East and allow Bush and Blair to basically do whatever they want there.

I honestly question the timing of this announcement very much and, as Michael Moore said, start to think that this is a way of playing with the public opinion, and making them afraid.
I prefer to believe Brit officials than you..

Sorry...
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Old 08-11-2006, 03:16 PM   #183
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I prefer to believe Brit officials than you..

Sorry...
Sure, you are entitled to believe whatever you want. Just do not expect me to believe in the same things.
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maybe i'm missing something here, but wasn't this intelligence work done in the UK & Pakistan, by MI5, Scotland Yard & Pakistan intelligence? and weren't the arrests in the UK and Pakistan?

Where does the United States intelligence and/or Bush admin enter this? either for credit or blame?


like i said, maybe i missed something, but...
Just another form of American arrogance.
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To the fact that the diversion of resources in Afganistan to a senseless war in Iraq in which we have murdered thousands of innocent Arab civilians and helped spark a civil war has done nothing but create more anti-American sentiment and fosters even more terrorism? One can only hope.

Beirut -- 1983
Pan Am 103 -- 1988
WTC -- 1993
Operation Bojinka -- 1995
U.S.S Cole -- 2000
9/11 -- 2001

All pre-Iraq, and all but one pre GWB.
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We'll get to your statement when we finish blaming the US first.


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Where does the United States intelligence and/or Bush admin enter this? either for credit or blame?

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...225453,00.html

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In the two or three days before the arrests, the cell was going operational, and authorities were pressed into action. MI5 and Scotland Yard agents tracked the plotters from the ground, while a knowledgeable American official says U.S. intelligence provided London authorities with intercepts of the group's communications.
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to allies working together.

this is how the war on terror should be conducted.

desert adventures are *so* middle ages.
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Sure, you are entitled to believe whatever you want. Just do not expect me to believe in the same things.
I believe in freedom of belief ( or lack of it)

So its okay ...isnt it
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to allies working together.

this is how the war on terror should be conducted.

It's actually the only way to take on a shadowy, scattered and shrewd enemy.
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It's actually the only way to take on a shadowy, scattered and shrewd enemy.

i agree.
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Beirut -- 1983
Pan Am 103 -- 1988
WTC -- 1993
Operation Bojinka -- 1995
U.S.S Cole -- 2000
9/11 -- 2001

All pre-Iraq, and all but one pre GWB.
Perhaps you're trying to deliberately misunderstand me, but in case not, I'll explain. Nowhere did I say that terrorism didn't exist before GWB, nor that he is solely responsible for its existence. What I did say was that his actions since in office have done nothing to help the situation and instead aggravated the grievances that generally motivate terrorists to action.

I've lived most of my life overseas, and I've travelled a lot before, during and since the events of 9/11. I was actually out of the U.S. during 9/11 and also during the run-up and start of the war in Iraq. What my non-scientific observations have shown me is that an amazing opportunity to bring the world together and use the almost unanimous support that was shown to the U.S. after 9/11 was squandered with almost breaktaking arrogance. Complete strangers came up to me post 9/11 to express their sympathy for America. Since the fiasco that is the war in Iraq, I've sensed more and more hostility and frustration from those outside the U.S. I've had more people than I can remember ask me why our President invaded a country that had done nothing to the U.S. There is a distinct feeling that America believes it is above the law and answerable to no one. People wonder who we will unilaterally decide to attack next. In fact, during the elections in 2004 I was told by one of my African colleagues "You MUST vote in this election! The results will affect all of us in the world, but we do not have a voice. You have to represent us. Please vote!"

Obviously those are just my personal experiences and don't necessarily mean anything to you, but they have definitely had a great deal in shaping my views of what is going on in the wider world.
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I've lived most of my life overseas, and I've travelled a lot before, during and since the events of 9/11. I was actually out of the U.S. during 9/11 and also during the run-up and start of the war in Iraq. What my non-scientific observations have shown me is that an amazing opportunity to bring the world together and use the almost unanimous support that was shown to the U.S. after 9/11 was squandered with almost breaktaking arrogance. Complete strangers came up to me post 9/11 to express their sympathy for America. Since the fiasco that is the war in Iraq, I've sensed more and more hostility and frustration from those outside the U.S. I've had more people than I can remember ask me why our President invaded a country that had done nothing to the U.S. There is a distinct feeling that America believes it is above the law and answerable to no one. People wonder who we will unilaterally decide to attack next. In fact, during the elections in 2004 I was told by one of my African colleagues "You MUST vote in this election! The results will affect all of us in the world, but we do not have a voice. You have to represent us. Please vote!"




while i've not had the same extent of time abroad as you have, i have spent a significant amount of time in Europe pre- and post-9/11.

i fully concur.
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yes consider indian policy..

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and then terrorists kill more...
Those are likely Kashmiri separatists. It's unrelated to Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Perhaps you're trying to deliberately misunderstand me, but in case not, I'll explain. Nowhere did I say that terrorism didn't exist before GWB, nor that he is solely responsible for its existence. What I did say was that his actions since in office have done nothing to help the situation and instead aggravated the grievances that generally motivate terrorists to action.

I've lived most of my life overseas, and I've travelled a lot before, during and since the events of 9/11. I was actually out of the U.S. during 9/11 and also during the run-up and start of the war in Iraq. What my non-scientific observations have shown me is that an amazing opportunity to bring the world together and use the almost unanimous support that was shown to the U.S. after 9/11 was squandered with almost breaktaking arrogance. Complete strangers came up to me post 9/11 to express their sympathy for America. Since the fiasco that is the war in Iraq, I've sensed more and more hostility and frustration from those outside the U.S. I've had more people than I can remember ask me why our President invaded a country that had done nothing to the U.S. There is a distinct feeling that America believes it is above the law and answerable to no one. People wonder who we will unilaterally decide to attack next. In fact, during the elections in 2004 I was told by one of my African colleagues "You MUST vote in this election! The results will affect all of us in the world, but we do not have a voice. You have to represent us. Please vote!"

Obviously those are just my personal experiences and don't necessarily mean anything to you, but they have definitely had a great deal in shaping my views of what is going on in the wider world.
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