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Old 11-11-2006, 10:22 PM   #46
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TIt concerns me that with so many immigrants trying to enter the country, from all nations, that folks only seem to get worked up over immigrants from Mexico.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way.
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It concerns me that with so many immigrants trying to enter the country, from all nations, that folks only seem to get worked up over immigrants from Mexico.
Agreed, although I hope it has less to do with the fact they are Mexican and more to do with the fact that we share a land border with what happens to be Mexico and it's almost impossible for immigrants from other countries to come and remain illegally.
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Agreed, although I hope it has less to do with the fact they are Mexican and more to do with the fact that we share a land border with what happens to be Mexico and it's almost impossible for immigrants from other countries to come and remain illegally.
I would hope so too. But I have my doubts.

To be fair, I think the prejudice and the sheer number of people from Mexico that want in to the country feed each other. There might be less prejudice if there weren't so MANY illegals coming out of Mexico. There might also be less prejudice if those illegals were white, English speaking folks.

Really, America--and many other nations--have had a long history of going all nativist when huge amounts of foreign "Others" from somewhere else seem to be pouring into the country. Remember how the Irish were treated, the Chinese Exlusion Acts of the late 19th century etc. A vitriolic mix of racial/ethnic prejudice engergized by fear of an overwhelming wave of the foreign "horde" is part of our history and continues today.
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I don't know what the costs involved in an "average" citizenship case ultimately amount to, but the process does take many years for most, and I'd assume that's another motive for trying to get around it. First you have to acquire Longterm Permanent Resident (LPR) status--i.e., get a Green Card--which in itself usually takes several years. This begins with a qualifying relative or employer petitioning US Citizenship & Immigration Services (USCIS) for your right to apply for a visa (if it's an employer, they must first prove that no current US citizens or LPRs are available to fill the position for which you'd be hired). Once the petition is approved, then you (or your employer) apply to the State Department for an immigration visa. This process takes anywhere from around 6 months (it's faster if it's an employer filing) to several years, depending on the quotas for the country you're coming from and various other factors. Then once you have the visa, you're ready apply to USCIS for permanent residency status, which also requires assembling a large array of documentation--tax records, medical records, employment records, etc. Currently this process averages about 3 years, according to their website. Often during this time the visa expires, so you have to leave the country and then start that process all over again. LPR status does NOT give you the right to bring your spouse or children to the US.

There's also the "Green Card Lottery," which is mostly for prospective immigrants from countries with low rates of immigration to the US, and which if you're selected allows you to bypass much of the above. However, proportionally very few immigrants acquire LPR status this way, as selection is random (relative to the limited country-of-origin pool) and the number of Green Cards available through lottery is very limited.

Once LPR status is obtained, then you must reside continuously in the US as an LPR for 5 years before being eligible to apply for citizenship, which requires basic command of English (except in the case of some longstanding older LPRs), as well as of course passing the citizenship exam.

The only fees I was able to find data on (and these are only averages) is that the immigration visa application fee is about $40 (each time), the LPR status application fee is about $30, and the citizenship application fee is about $50. But presumably there are in practice many other costs involved (travel, legal consultation, assembling the needed documentation, vaccinations, etc.).

Of course there are a zillion and one potential exceptions to any or all of the above involved, but so far as I know this is roughly how a "typical" citizenship acquisition process currently works.
Yolland thank you for detailed explanation.

Dave C thank you for yours as well.

If the system is that complicated if should be streamlined.
It should also be streamlined for the productive and law abiding immigrants who are here that want to do it legally.

There should be an allotted amount of time for ppl to decide if they want to continue living here, who arent here legally.

If they are here illegally (from entering only) and haven't broken laws they should be allowed to stay and pay nominal back/late fees for years that they've benifited from living here in the USA.

I think if it's super expensive to attain citizenship than those fees should be reduced also.

If current illegals living here now have committed felonies, on top of being here illegally, they should be deported quickly. They could be considered to be allowed back 10 years later after a careful review of those previously committed crimes here in the USA, depending on the offense.

I'm not oppose to a larger wall on the border.

I only want ppl to immigrate to my country with the best of intrentions and for the right reasons.

Any of this make sense to the sober-minded out there?

Thanks for all who have contributed.

peace,

dbs
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^I actually think these ideas are pretty reasonable.
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Old 11-13-2006, 10:27 AM   #51
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For the record most of Mexico is against the APPO. They are a liability to Mexico and it's full of assholes who have nothing better to do, than terrorize, vandalize and have destroy their state economy in less than 6 months, they made thousands of people lose their jobs, small businesses close down. Now guerrillas that support their movement have made 5-7 terrorist attaks in Oaxaca and Mexico City probably the first made in Mexico for political reasons, so fuck 'em and don't "support them" just because they area against the goverment. At the beginning their reasons were legitimate and what was suppose to be a peaceful movement has cost a lot of things including lives to my country not to mention the education of thousands of kids



Diamond I applaud you for asking for information before stating your opinion or making ignorant statementes

And yes the main reason immigrants don't go through legal means to gain US citizenship is because its very difficult and expensive (for them) each appoinment costs money, and if you get denied you have to wait 6 months to a year and that's a lot of time when you have to feed your family
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thank you mojo for the moxxie in your comments.

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Here are the current fees:
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/usc...0045f3d6a1RCRD

and here are the general paths for obtaining lawful permanent residency (LPR), or a "green card": http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/usc...0045f3d6a1RCRD

Just as an example of how much is required (and this is a relatively easy immigration path), for me (US citizen) to repatriate and bring my husband (UK citizen), we would have to submit the following:

I-130 (Petition for Alien Relative) - $190.00
G-325A (Biographical Information Sheet)
DS-2001 (Notification of Applicant Readiness)
DS-230 (Application for Immigrant Visa and Alien Registration)
I-864 (Affidavit of Support)

We would also have to submit all of the supporting evidence requested, send tax returns for the three years prior to applying, and obtain police certificates. My husband would have to attend an interview and have a medial examination (£160/$300).

This is the process for the much faster (usually completed in about six months) direct consular filing through the US embassy in London which we're eligible for since I have permanent residency in the UK. If I didn't, we'd have to apply through the National Visa Center in the US.
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Yolland thank you for detailed explanation.

Dave C thank you for yours as well.

If the system is that complicated if should be streamlined.
It should also be streamlined for the productive and law abiding immigrants who are here that want to do it legally.

There should be an allotted amount of time for ppl to decide if they want to continue living here, who arent here legally.

If they are here illegally (from entering only) and haven't broken laws they should be allowed to stay and pay nominal back/late fees for years that they've benifited from living here in the USA.

I think if it's super expensive to attain citizenship than those fees should be reduced also.

If current illegals living here now have committed felonies, on top of being here illegally, they should be deported quickly. They could be considered to be allowed back 10 years later after a careful review of those previously committed crimes here in the USA, depending on the offense.

I'm not oppose to a larger wall on the border.

I only want ppl to immigrate to my country with the best of intrentions and for the right reasons.

Any of this make sense to the sober-minded out there?

Thanks for all who have contributed.

peace,

dbs
Wow. I must say I agree with nearly all of this post. Well put, diamond.


I don't think I've ever said that before...














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