Please forgive my naiveté of the issue of Immigration into my country.. - Page 3 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 11-10-2006, 06:42 PM   #31
Rock n' Roll Doggie
ALL ACCESS
 
Justin24's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: San Mateo
Posts: 6,716
Local Time: 07:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar


Justin, this logic doesn't make sense. By this logic all policemen, FBI agents, etc would have no need to follow the law.
But the diffrence is they do follow the law, yes there are some bad apples. But I dont see how it's not ok for them to take down a smuggler but it's ok to let millions of people flood our cities.

I am going out on a limb here. (In no way am I trying to disrespect and there are differences between, animals plants and humans)

But if you introduce a new species of animal or plant to a new environment it can cause damage to that environment.

If millions of people come in from all parts of the world, will there be enough resources to accomidate.

As I said before I mean no disrepect. I am only showing and example and there are differences.
__________________

__________________
Justin24 is offline  
Old 11-10-2006, 06:52 PM   #32
Resident Photo Buff
Forum Moderator
 
Diemen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Somewhere in middle America
Posts: 13,238
Local Time: 08:10 PM
But these border patrol agents didn't follow the law. Once a criminal has crossed back over the border, you can't shoot him. He's not in your country anymore.

So they broke the law. It doesn't matter who the criminal was or what he did.

And your example of a new species of animal or plant is flawed because immigrants aren't a different species.* Now if you want to talk about the problems that come from overpopulation, that's a more appropriate way to go.







*Can't believe I had to actually type that
__________________

__________________
Diemen is offline  
Old 11-10-2006, 06:54 PM   #33
Rock n' Roll Doggie
ALL ACCESS
 
Justin24's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: San Mateo
Posts: 6,716
Local Time: 07:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Diemen
But these border patrol agents didn't follow the law. Once a criminal has crossed back over the border, you can't shoot him. He's not in your country anymore.

So they broke the law. It doesn't matter who the criminal was or what he did.

And your example of a new species of animal or plant is flawed because immigrants aren't a different species.* Now if you want to talk about the problems that come from overpopulation, that's a more appropriate way to go.
*Can't believe I had to actually type that
Thats what I meant to say. He was not in Mexico yet he was about to cross.

There have been reports of Federaly police crossing in to our border smuggle people and drugs in.
__________________
Justin24 is offline  
Old 11-10-2006, 06:59 PM   #34
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
 
BVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 40,697
Local Time: 08:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Justin24


But the diffrence is they do follow the law, yes there are some bad apples. But I dont see how it's not ok for them to take down a smuggler but it's ok to let millions of people flood our cities.

There are laws. Do cops shoot burglars? No unless a life is in danger. A cop should fire only when there are no other choices. Was this man armed? Were there lives in danger?

If not he obviously broke the law if he's serving time.
__________________
BVS is online now  
Old 11-10-2006, 07:00 PM   #35
Rock n' Roll Doggie
ALL ACCESS
 
Justin24's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: San Mateo
Posts: 6,716
Local Time: 07:10 PM
We dont know if he had a gun. We dont know the whole story.
__________________
Justin24 is offline  
Old 11-10-2006, 07:03 PM   #36
Resident Photo Buff
Forum Moderator
 
Diemen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Somewhere in middle America
Posts: 13,238
Local Time: 08:10 PM
I'd be interested to hear the border patrol agents' testimony, that's for sure.
__________________
Diemen is offline  
Old 11-10-2006, 07:04 PM   #37
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
 
BVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 40,697
Local Time: 08:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Justin24
We dont know if he had a gun. We dont know the whole story.
But the jury did, right?
__________________
BVS is online now  
Old 11-10-2006, 07:27 PM   #38
Blue Crack Addict
 
anitram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: NY
Posts: 16,297
Local Time: 09:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Justin24
We dont know if he had a gun. We dont know the whole story.
Well that's why I said it's a matter for the Courts to decide. Why did you even ask what we thought?
__________________
anitram is offline  
Old 11-11-2006, 07:38 AM   #39
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
maycocksean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: The Most Important State in the Union
Posts: 4,882
Local Time: 09:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Justin24


This is what amazes me. That everyone says there are laws and that what the Patrol Agents did was against the law. The Smuggler broke the law and so do millions of people who come in Illegaly from other countries. So it's ok to break one law (entering illegally) but to take down a smuggler is wrong?

Remember smugglers can bring in drugs, sex slaves weapons etc..

The African slaves brought to america were brought by smugglers weren't they?
Justin, I'm not sure if you've really thought through what you're advocating. You're suggesting that law enforcement officers should be above the law--that one person breaking a law gives license for someone else to also flout the laws also. You're arguing that it's not okay for a person to enter the country illegally therefore it is okay to murder that person.

And no, the slave trade in the Americas was perfectly legal.
__________________
maycocksean is offline  
Old 11-11-2006, 07:43 AM   #40
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
maycocksean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: The Most Important State in the Union
Posts: 4,882
Local Time: 09:10 PM
It seems to me that there are just too many people from some countries (such as Mexico) that want to enter the U.S. The U.S. can't accomodate them all, and as Yolland pointed out, the wait to enter can take years with no garuantee of being approved for a work visa. I'm guessing many of the desperate poor feel they can't afford to wait for yeras.
__________________
maycocksean is offline  
Old 11-11-2006, 07:48 AM   #41
Refugee
 
Bluer White's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Maine
Posts: 1,887
Local Time: 09:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by maycocksean
Justin, I'm not sure if you've really thought through what you're advocating. You're suggesting that law enforcement officers should be above the law--that one person breaking a law gives license for someone else to also flout the laws also.
I thought Justin was advocating enforcement of "all" the laws. Laws checking the border patrol as well as laws governing immigration. Maybe he can clarify.
__________________
Bluer White is online now  
Old 11-11-2006, 11:09 AM   #42
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
CTU2fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 5,366
Local Time: 10:10 PM
The way I'm reading this story is, they caught the guy with pot, entering illegally, and when he got caught he ran...and they shot him in the back, while fleeing. That's wrong, period. I'm guessing based on the verdict that the jury saw it the same.

That said, I'm sure he didn't get his pot back...so when he's sent back to Mexico sans pot or cash I'm sure his supplier will finish what the border patrol didn't.

It concerns me that with so many immigrants trying to enter the country, from all nations, that folks only seem to get worked up over immigrants from Mexico.
__________________
CTU2fan is online now  
Old 11-11-2006, 01:52 PM   #43
Rock n' Roll Doggie
ALL ACCESS
 
Justin24's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: San Mateo
Posts: 6,716
Local Time: 07:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Bluer White


I thought Justin was advocating enforcement of "all" the laws. Laws checking the border patrol as well as laws governing immigration. Maybe he can clarify.
Law enforcement must obey the laws as all people, there not above it and not overstep it. We dont know the whole story as I said. But we as a country have immigration laws that must be followed and enforced, so why do people get so worked up and say oh just leave them be, who cares??? That does not make sense.
__________________
Justin24 is offline  
Old 11-11-2006, 10:17 PM   #44
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
maycocksean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: The Most Important State in the Union
Posts: 4,882
Local Time: 09:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by CTU2fan


It concerns me that with so many immigrants trying to enter the country, from all nations, that folks only seem to get worked up over immigrants from Mexico.
Indeed.
__________________
maycocksean is offline  
Old 11-11-2006, 10:21 PM   #45
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
maycocksean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: The Most Important State in the Union
Posts: 4,882
Local Time: 09:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Justin24


But we as a country have immigration laws that must be followed and enforced, so why do people get so worked up and say oh just leave them be, who cares??? That does not make sense.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that immigration laws don't need to be followed or enforced. They do. I think we all agree on that. There may be some disagreement as to how effective or humane certain immigration laws or policies might be, but I don't think anyone is saying that illegal immigration "doesn't matter."

I think people ARE saying that just because someone breaks immigration laws, that does not give law enforcement officials carte blanche right to shoot them down.
__________________

__________________
maycocksean is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:10 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com