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Old 06-07-2002, 05:31 PM   #121
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Looks like close-mindedness could even be found at a Harvard commencement.

Great article!
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To think.. They can't even predict the effects of El Nino.. just Six months from coming in at full force, YET these models can apparently predict the next three Hundred Years..




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http://www.NewsAndOpinion.com | The campaign to stampede the federal government into drastic action to counter "global warming" has never let honesty cramp its style. The most recent ploy has been the release of a study from the Environmental Protection Agency which concluded that human actions were responsible for rising temperatures and that government restrictions on those actions were necessary to prevent various disastrous scenarios from unfolding.


The problem is that all this hysteria was based on a computer model which had been shown to be incompatible with factual data. Patrick Michaels, a professor of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia, had already exposed the inability of that computer model to account for existing temperature changes before its release to the public was allowed to suggest that it was able to predict future temperature changes.


This is by no means the first time that a supposedly "scientific" report turned out to be a political report wrapping itself in the mantle of science. Last year, the National Academy of Sciences issued a report, garnished with the names of numerous eminent scientists, which was widely hailed in the media as proving the dangers of global warming. The problem with that particular report was that the scientists whose names were put on display had not written the report nor even seen it before it was released.


One of those eminent scientists, MIT professor Richard S. Lindzen, publicly repudiated the conclusions of the study on which his name had been displayed. As Professor Lindzen, a meteorologist, pointed out, "the climate is always changing. Innumerable factors go into temperature changes and many of these factors, such as the changing amounts of heat put out by the sun during different eras, are beyond the control of human beings."


The same kind of ploy was used by a United Nations report on climate in 1996. After the scientists had reviewed the report, the following sentence was added, without their knowledge -- "the balance of evidence suggests a discernible human influence on global climate." But that is not what the scientists said.


What are all these ploys about? There are people in the environmental cult and in the media who are hell-bent to have the United States and other countries sign the Kyoto treaty that would drastically restrict how our economy works and what kind of lives the average American could lead.


Anything that allows them to impose their superior wisdom and virtue on the rest of us gets a sympathetic hearing. Moral melodrama also has great appeal to some. As Eric Hoffer said, "Intellectuals cannot operate at room temperature."


Every record hot day is trumpeted in the media as showing global warming. But record cold days are mentioned only as isolated curiosities, if they are mentioned at all. Environmental cults have already stampeded us into recycling programs that studies have shown to be counterproductive -- except for appeasing shrill zealots and allowing them to feel like they are saving the planet.


In the 1970s, the big scare was global cooling -- a "new ice age." And of course drastic government action was needed to head it off. There has to be moral melodrama.


The real question is not whether human beings have any effect on temperature. The question is: How much? And how much can we change the temperature -- and at what price? And what if we do nothing? What will happen? And how dire will it be?


Professor Michaels estimates that most of the global warming over the past century has been due to the sun's getting hotter. If we do everything the Kyoto treaty calls for, it would not lower the average temperature in the world by half a degree over the next 50 years. But it could wreck some economies.


And what if we do nothing? Actually there are benefits to global warming, such as a longer growing season, but we are not likely to see a lot of those benefits because there is not likely to be a lot of warming. Moreover, it is mostly the very cold places that are getting warmer. As Professor Michaels points out, "Siberia has warmed from minus 40 to minus 28 in January." Is anyone complaining -- other than professional complainers and professional doomsayers?


JWR contributor Thomas Sowell, a fellow at the Hoover Institution, is author of several books, including his latest, The Einstein Syndrome: Bright Children Who Talk Late.
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Hahaha.. I love interference.. Is it that Idealistic tone?... or is it the MBH syndrome?.. Either way.. gotta love it..

Usually I just blow off MSN homepage as amateur writers just picking practically any topic they can find and make it into two hundred and fifty words, but I kinda like this one.. even though I'll never be in a position to be layed off.. I found it interesting..

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Get Clued into Layoff Warning Signs
by Therese Droste




Maybe you love your job so much you brush off hints that the company's wheels are starting to come off. Or maybe you despise your job enough that you pay no attention to anything other than getting through a full day. Maybe you have no reason to watch for signs that you might be headed for a job loss.

But maybe you should. Even if you're doing well and things seem peachy in the workplace, it's never a bad idea to pay attention to hints that your job may be in jeopardy. Stay one step ahead of a layoff by heeding these warning signs.

Internal Problems: Things You Control

Sometimes we ignore obvious signs that the other shoe is going to drop, attributing the negative signals to a bad phase that will quickly pass. Unfortunately, ignoring these signs can threaten your job security. Watch out if:

You Got a Bad Review or a Warning

How was your last performance review? Did you get a decent raise? Were you given any warnings or put on probation for anything? It's a bad sign if nothing positive was said during your review.

Your Boss Looks over Your Shoulder

Has your boss recently put you on a short leash when he used to trust you to work independently? Maybe he's been giving you subtle warnings that your work is not up to snuff even though you think otherwise, and he finally got tired of you missing his signals.

You Get the Cold Shoulder

Do colleagues you used to eat lunch or talk with avoid you lately? Do they skirt discussions about future projects? Are you being left out of meetings you've usually been part of? Think there's a reason?

External Problems: Management Changes that Are Beyond Your Control

Keeping an eye on the company, its health and the ripple effects of high-level decisions can clue you into the true status of your job security. Be wary if:

You Get a New Boss

For five years, you worked in harmony with your boss, who was suddenly replaced by a rattlesnake. This is no time to be complacent; prep for a job search before you have to. Line up a reference from HR since the new boss probably won't give you a good one.

Management Makes Changes at the Top

The company's leader and figurehead suddenly disappears, and the entire mood of the company shifts. Long-time employees are heard grumbling and complaining about the new direction. This can actually help you. Ask yourself: How do I handle change? If you're averse to making a big move, you'll probably hate the new procedures that go along with the transition to a new leader. On the other hand, how will you handle the changes associated with getting a new job? Will you find those challenges any easier? Weigh the consequences of both scenarios.

There Are Rumors of Restructuring or Layoffs

Sometimes rumors carry a grain of truth. If there is talk about restructuring the office, be prepared. If you don't do a full-out job search, at least dust off your resume so if you're cut, you'll have that chore out of the way.

New Hires Don't Fit the Mold

Sometimes a new colleague is hired who can do no wrong with all of the managers but treats you and other employees like dirt. If you've complained and documented your gripes but management doesn't confront the bad apple, you must assess what this person is doing to your outlook on work. Sometimes morale can get so low that there's no choice but to leave.

Overall, it's important to know the difference between something that truly threatens your job security and something that may actually turn out to be a bad week or month.
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Ah.. Contradictory Bleeding Hearts Unite.. Hahahah..

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I kinda like this one.. even though I'll never be in a position to be layed off.. I found it interesting..
ohhh the arrogance.
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ohhh the arrogance.
kobesan, you cannot possibly be surprised...
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no i've just never really commented on it in the past.

i've been a watcher in the debacle that is L.
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no i've just never really commented on it in the past.

i've been a watcher in the debacle that is L.
you're probably right. it's like those reality tv shows. they're insulting to humanity in general, yet occasionally good for mindless entertainment.
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I find it funny that you can make a comment without even knowing anything about Me.. I think that should be edited into 'Oh.. the Arrogance that I am supposing Lemonite to have but cannot be completely sure of because I have no idea who this Lemonite Character is?..'

hahaha.. However.. doesn't it follow in logic that if I am self Employed for my entire life I will never be layed off?.. Logic works here Right?..I mean.. this is Interference, and so many avenues of thought are closed off.. but but Logic still jangles your minds eh?


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Ah.. Isn't this the Truth... People truly aren't the cause of Global Warming.. Read this if you care to have your mental premonitions about Global Warming and the Kyoto Treaty punted out of the Stadium (A Clean Description eh Bama?hahaha)..

From the EIB Network:

So here you go. You can read this discussion below, and educate yourself on an issue that has become dominated by emotionalism and doom-and-gloom. Remember: science isn't about emotion or politics. It's about facts and the search for truth.



[13:46:00 EST - June 6, 2002]

RUSH: To Portland, Oregon, next. Hello, Chuck.

Chuck: Hey, Rush. Mega dittos.

RUSH: Thank you, sir.

Chuck: Hey, I've been following the global warming thing, and I just wanted to weigh in on it for a minute if I could with you.

RUSH: By all means. Of course, sir.

Chuck: First of all, you liberals out there, we know who you are. We know about the Pew Foundation. We know about all the money that's being spent to brainwash the public on this issue of global warming. But I've been in the business for 30 years.

I study this stuff all the time, and in order for these people to make their claim about global warming correct, they have to be able to demonstrate that the radiation balance coming from the sun and what goes out from the earth is NOT in balance. And the satellites we had up there now for over ten years have shown and continue to show today that the radiation balance of the planet remains as it was years ago, when satellites were first put up.

RUSH: What does that mean?

Chuck: It means that carbon dioxide and the greenhouse gases that these people claim are warming the planet are having little-or-no effect in the heating or cooling of the planet whatsoever.

RUSH: Well, now, wait. This confuses me, because it's now the official policy of the EPA, the U.S. government and the United Nations that there is this warming and that human beings are responsible for it.

Chuck: Well, I don't know where they get the human beings responsible for it, because it's just not true.

RUSH: I'll tell you where they get it - and Karl Rove said this to me when I was on the phone with him a couple days ago. They tracked it from the Industrial Revolution, and they said that the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere is obviously much higher now than it was in the pre-Industrial Revolution days.

Chuck: Well, what does much higher mean? It has very little significance on the total gas composition of the atmosphere, and everything I learned when I was in undergraduate school about the radiation balance and the effect of these gases [is] that they're insignificant unless they multiplied many, many hundreds of millions of times over. And, you know, we have this warmer winter this last year in the eastern United States and this is what these people have been hammering on -

RUSH: Chuck, I've got to ask you a question. You're speaking as a scientist, correct? You're a meteorologist?

Chuck: That's correct.

RUSH: Okay, you're looking at this data as a scientist. How in the world can there be such disagreement over this - this scientific data that you are so certain about? Where is the room for scientific disagreement? I can see political disagreement, but where is the room for scientific?

Chuck: There shouldn't be any disagreement scientifically on this. What's happening is, the models which these people use to project climate change are being used to make these assertions, and the models are just dead wrong. When I was going to undergraduate school in the 1970s we had a scientist then that was telling Congress - when this global warming thing started - that if we didn't do something according to his model, to control the greenhouse gas emissions that by the mid-1990s the mid-latitude food belt of the United States would become desert wasteland.

RUSH: Was his name Paul Ehrlich?

Chuck: No, it was not. It was not. That was not who he was.

RUSH: I just saw something in the paper this morning about El Niño. The National Weather Service and the National Oceanographic - whatever it is - is looking at El Niño, and it happens every five years, the warming of eastern Pacific Ocean waters. And they are saying that it's still too soon to say how serious an impact this latest round of El Niño is.

What happens is that every five years, it gets bad, and that for 18 months, weather is affected around the world, and in different regions of the United States it's either dryer and cooler or wetter and warmer, or a mixture of those things. But the thing that struck me about it was that here are a bunch of people on the one hand predicting global warming 20, 30, a hundred years out, and yet we know that El Niño is happening, but we can't now be sure, they say, how bad this El Niño is going to be, even though it's going to be at its full force, whenever that is, in the next six to nine months.
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sorry i didn't consider all that L. i could have. but given the importance of your comment and mine, i don't think it was really worth it in the first place. thus this response is quite worthless, but alas...

however, please consider that i did not state you were arrogant. i only posted your statement and said 'oh the arrogance', one can only logically presume this to mean that i think the statement itself is arrogant. you are making a similar leap in assumptions to the one which you are persecuting me for.

i am quite certain you are a very down to earth individual.
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A Little late, but still a Reminder:

White House Relased Transcript of bin Laden and Associates Discussing the September 11th Terrorist Attacks

[Source: Washington Post]

[NOTE: Transcript and annotations independently prepared by George Michael, translator, Diplomatic Language Services; and Dr. Kassem M. Wahba, Arabic language program coordinator, School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University. They collaborated on their translation and compared it with translations done by the U.S. government for consistency. There were no inconsistencies in the translations.)

In mid-November, Usama Bin Laden spoke to a room of supporters, possibly in Qandahar, Afghanistan. These comments were video taped with the knowledge of Bin Laden and all present.

The tape is approximately one hour long and contains three different segments: an original taping of a visit by some people to the site of the downed U.S. helicopter in Ghazni province (approximately 12 minutes long); and two segments documenting a courtesy visit by Bin Laden and his lieutenants to an unidentified Shaykh, who appears crippled from the waist down. The visit apparently takes place at a guesthouse in Qandahar.

The sequence of the events is reversed on the tape-the end of his visit is in the beginning of the tape with the helicopter site visit in the middle and the start of the Usama bin Laden visit beginning approximately 39 minutes into the tape. The tape is transcribed below according to the proper sequence of events.

Due to the quality of the original tape, it is NOT a verbatim transcript of every word spoken during the meeting, but does convey the messages and information flow.

EDITOR'S NOTE: 39 minutes into tape, first segment of the bin Laden meeting, begins after footage of helicopter site visit]

SHAYKH: (...inaudible...) You have given us weapons, you have given us hope and we thank Allah for you. We don't want to take much of your time, but this is the arrangement of the brothers. People now are supporting us more, even those ones who did not support us in the past, support us more now. I did not want to take that much of your time. We praise Allah, we praise Allah. We came from Kabul. We were very pleased to visit. May Allah bless you both at home and the camp. We asked the driver to take us, it was a night with a full moon, thanks be to Allah. Believe me it is not in the country side. The elderly...everybody praises what you did, the great action you did, which was first and foremost by the grace of Allah. This is the guidance of Allah and the blessed fruit of jihad.

BIN LADEN: Thanks to Allah. What is the stand of the Mosques there (in Saudi Arabia)?

SHAYKH: Honestly, they are very positive. Shaykh Al-Bahrani (phonetic) gave a good sermon in his class after the sunset prayers. It was videotaped and I was supposed to carry it with me, but unfortunately, I had to leave immediately.

BIN LADEN: The day of the events?

SHAYKH: At the exact time of the attack on America, precisely at the time. He (Bahrani) gave a very impressive sermon. Thanks be to Allah for his blessings. He (Bahrani) was the first one to write at war time. I visited him twice in Al-Qasim.

BIN LADEN: Thanks be to Allah.

SHAYKH: This is what I asked from Allah. He (Bahrani) told the youth: ``You are asking for martyrdom and wonder where you should go (for martyrdom)?'' Allah was inciting them to go. I asked Allah to grant me to witness the truth in front of the unjust ruler. We ask Allah to protect him and give him the martyrdom, after he issued the first fatwa. He was detained for interrogation, as you know. When he was called in and asked to sign, he told them, ``don't waste my time, I have another fatwa. If you want me, I can sign both at the same time.''

BIN LADEN: Thanks be to Allah.

SHAYKH: His position is really very encouraging. When I paid him the first visit about a year and half ago, he asked me, ``How is Shaykh Bin-Ladin?'' He sends you his special regards. As far as Shaykh Sulayman 'Ulwan is concerned, he gave a beautiful fatwa, may Allah bless him. Miraculously, I heard it on the Quran radio station. It was strange because he ('Ulwan) sacrificed his position, which is equivalent to a director. It was transcribed word-by-word. The brothers listened to it in detail. I briefly heard it before the noon prayers. He ('Ulwan) said this was jihad and those people were not innocent people (World Trade Center and Pentagon victims). He swore to Allah. This was transmitted to Shaykh Sulayman Al (('Umar)) Allah bless him.

BIN LADEN: What about Shaykh Al-((Rayan))?

SHAYKH: Honestly, I did not meet with him. My movements were truly limited.

BIN LADEN: Allah bless you. You are welcome.

SHAYKH: (Describing the trip to the meeting) They smuggled us and then I thought that we would be in different caves inside the mountains so I was surprised at the guest house and that it is very clean and comfortable. Thanks be to Allah, we also learned that this location is safe, by Allah's blessings. The place is clean and we are very comfortable.

BIN LADEN: (...Inaudible...) when people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature, they will like the strong horse. This is only one goal; those who want people to worship the lord of the people, without following that doctrine, will be following the doctrine of Muhammad, peace be upon him.

(UBL quotes several short and incomplete Hadith verses, as follows): ``I was ordered to fight the people until they say there is no god but Allah, and his prophet Muhammad.''

``Some people may ask: why do you want to fight us?'' ``There is an association between those who say: I believe in one god and Muhammad is his prophet, and those who don't (...inaudible...) ``Those who do not follow the true fiqh. The fiqh of Muhammad, the real fiqh. They are just accepting what is being said at face value.''

Those youth who conducted the operations did not accept any fiqh in the popular terms, but they accepted the fiqh that the prophet Muhammad brought. Those young men (...inaudible...) said in deeds, in New York and Washington, speeches that overshadowed all other speeches made everywhere else in the world. The speeches are understood by both Arabs and non-Arabs-even by Chinese.

It is above all the media said. Some of them said that in Holland, at one of the centers, the number of people who accepted Islam during the days that followed the operations were more than the people who accepted Islam in the last eleven years. I heard someone on Islamic radio who owns a school in America say: ``We don't have time to keep up with the demands of those who are asking about Islamic books to learn about Islam.'' This event made people think (about true Islam) which benefited Islam greatly.

SHAYKH: Hundreds of people used to doubt you and few only would follow you until this huge event happened. Now hundreds of people are coming out to join you. I remember a vision by Shaykh Salih Al-((Shuaybi)). He said: ``There will be a great hit and people will go out by hundreds to Afghanistan.'' I asked him (Salih): ``To Afghanistan?'' He replied, ``Yes.'' According to him, the only ones who stay behind will be the mentally impotent and the liars (hypocrites). I remembered his saying that hundreds of people will go out to Afghanistan. He had this vision a year ago. This event discriminated between the different types of followers.

BIN LADEN: (...Inaudible...) we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all. (...Inaudible...) due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for.

SHAYKH: Allah be praised.

BIN LADEN: We were at (...inaudible...) when the event took place. We had notification since the previous Thursday that the event would take place that day. We had finished our work that day and had the radio on. It was 5:30 p.m. our time. I was sitting with Dr. Ahmad Abu-al-((Khair)). Immediately, we heard the news that a plane had hit the World Trade Center. We turned the radio station to the news from Washington. The news continued and no mention of the attack until the end. At the end of the newscast, they reported that a plane just hit the World Trade Center.

SHAYKH: Allah be praised.

BIN LADEN: After a little while, they announced that another plane had hit the World Trade Center. The brothers who heard the news were overjoyed by it.

SHAYKH: I listened to the news and I was sitting. We didn't...we were not thinking about anything, and all of a sudden, Allah willing, we were talking about how come we didn't have anything, and all of a sudden the news came and everyone was overjoyed and everyone until the next day, in the morning, was talking about what was happening and we stayed until four o'clock, listening to the news every time a little bit different, everyone was very joyous and saying ``Allah is great,'' ``Allah is great,'' ``We are thankful to Allah,'' ``Praise Allah.'' And I was happy for the happiness of my brothers. That day the congratulations were coming on the phone non-stop. The mother was receiving phone calls continuously. Thank Allah. Allah is great, praise be to Allah.

(Quoting the verse from the Quran)

SHAYKH: ``Fight them, Allah will torture them, with your hands, he will torture them. He will deceive them and he will give you victory. Allah will forgive the believers, he is knowledgeable about everything.''

No doubt it is a clear victory. Allah has bestowed on us...honor on us...and he will give us blessing and more victory during this holy month of Ramadan. And this is what everyone is hoping for. Thank Allah America came out of its caves. We hit her the first hit and the next one will hit her with the hands of the believers, the good believers, the strong believers. By Allah it is a great work. Allah prepares for you a great reward for this work. I'm sorry to speak in your presence, but it is just thoughts, just thoughts. By Allah, who there is no god but him. I live in happiness, happiness...I have not experienced, or felt, in a long time.

I remember, the words of Al-Rabbani, he said they made a coalition against us in the winter with the infidels like the Turks, and others, and some other Arabs. And they surrounded us like the days...in the days of the prophet Muhammad. Exactly like what's happening right now. But he comforted his followers and said, ``This is going to turn and hit them back.'' And it is a mercy for us. And a blessing to us. And it will bring people back. Look how wise he was.

And Allah will give him blessing. And the day will come when the symbols of Islam will rise up and it will be similar to the early days of Al-Mujahedeen and Al-Ansar (similar to the early years of Islam). And victory to those who follow Allah. Finally said, if it is the same, like the old days, such as Abu Bakr and Othman and Ali and others. In these days, in our times, that it will be the greatest jihad in the history of Islam and the resistance of the wicked people.

SHAYKH: By Allah my Shaykh. We congratulate you for the great work. Thank Allah.

1/8Tape ends here 3/8

Second segment of Bin Laden's visit, shows up at the front of the tape

BIN LADEN: Abdallah Azzam, Allah bless his soul, told me not to record anything (...inaudible...) so I thought that was a good omen, and Allah will bless us (...inaudible...). Abu-Al-Hasan Al-((Masri)), who appeared on Al-Jazeera TV a couple of days ago and addressed the Americans saying: ``If you are true men, come down here and face us.''

(...inaudible...) He told me a year ago: ``I saw in a dream, we were playing a soccer game against the Americans. When our team showed up in the field, they were all pilots!'' He said: ``So I wondered if that was a soccer game or a pilot game? Our players were pilots.'' He (Abu-Al-Hasan) didn't know anything about the operation until he heard it on the radio. He said the game went on and we defeated them. That was a good omen for us.

SHAYKH: May Allah be blessed.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN OFF CAMERA: Abd Al Rahman Al-(Ghamri) said he saw a vision, before the operation, a plane crashed into a tall building. He knew nothing about it.

SHAYKH: May Allah be blessed!

SULAYMAN (ABU GUAITH): I was sitting with the Shaykh in a room, then I left to go to another room where there was a TV set. The TV broadcasted the big event. The scene was showing an Egyptian family sitting in their living room, they exploded with joy. Do you know when there is a soccer game and your team wins, it was the same expression of joy. There was a subtitle that read: ``In revenge for the children of Al Aqsa', Usama Bin Ladin executes an operation against America.'' So I went back to the Shaykh (meaning Usama Bin Laden) who was sitting in a room with 50 to 60 people. I tried to tell him about what I saw, but he made gesture with his hands, meaning: ``I know, I know...''

BIN LADEN: He did not know about the operation. Not everybody knew (...inaudible...). Muhammad ((Atta)) from the Egyptian family (meaning the Al Qa'ida Egyptian group), was in charge of the group.

SHAYKH: A plane crashing into a tall building was out of anyone's imagination. This was a great job. He was one of the pious men in the organization. He became a martyr. Allah bless his soul.

SHAYKH (Referring to dreams and visions): The plane that he saw crashing into the building was seen before by more than one person. One of the good religious people has left everything and come here. He told me, ``I saw a vision, I was in a huge plane, long and wide. I was carrying it on my shoulders and I walked from the road to the desert for half a kilometer. I was dragging the plane.'' I listened to him and I prayed to Allah to help him.

Another person told me that last year he saw, but I didn't understand and I told him I don't understand. He said, ``I saw people who left for jihad...and they found themselves in New York...in Washington and New York.'' I said, ``What is this?'' He told me the plane hit the building. That was last year. We haven't thought much about it. But, when the incidents happened he came to me and said, ``Did you see...this is strange.''

I have another man...my god...he said and swore by Allah that his wife had seen the incident a week earlier. She saw the plane crashing into a building...that was unbelievable, my god.

BIN LADEN: The brothers, who conducted the operation, all they knew was that they have a martyrdom operation and we asked each of them to go to America but they didn't know anything about the operation, not even one letter. But they were trained and we did not reveal the operation to them until they are there and just before they boarded the planes.

(...inaudible...) then he said: Those who were trained to fly didn't know the others. One group of people did not know the other group. (...inaudible...)

(Someone in the crowd asks Usama Bin Laden to tell the Shaykh about the dream of ((Abu-Da'ud)).

BIN LADEN: We were at a camp of one of the brother's guards in Qandahar. This brother belonged to the majority of the group. He came close and told me that he saw, in a dream, a tall building in America, and in the same dream he saw Mukhtar teaching them how to play karate.

At that point, I was worried that maybe the secret would be revealed if everyone starts seeing it in their dream. So I closed the subject. I told him if he sees another dream, not to tell anybody, because people will be upset with him.

(Another person's voice can be heard recounting his dream about two planes hitting a big building).

BIN LADEN: They were overjoyed when the first plane hit the building, so I said to them: be patient.

BIN LADEN: The difference between the first and the second plane hitting the towers was twenty minutes. And the difference between the first plane and the plane that hit the Pentagon was one hour.

SHAYKH: They (the Americans) were terrified thinking there was a coup.

1/8Note: Ayman Al-Zawahri says first he commended Usama Bin Laden's awareness of what the media is saying. Then he says it was the first time for them (Americans) to feel danger coming at them. 3/8

Usama Bin Laden (reciting a poem):

I witness that against the sharp blade

They always faced difficulties and stood together...

When the darkness comes upon us and we are bit by a

Sharp tooth, I say...

``Our homes are flooded with blood and the tyrant

Is freely wandering in our homes''...

And from the battlefield vanished

The brightness of swords and the horses...

And over weeping sounds now

We hear the beats of drums and rhythm...

They are storming his forts

And shouting: ``We will not stop our raids

Until you free our lands''...
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you're probably right. it's like those reality tv shows. they're insulting to humanity in general, yet occasionally good for mindless entertainment.
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however, please consider that i did not state you were arrogant. i only posted your statement and said 'oh the arrogance', one can only logically presume this to mean that i think the statement itself is arrogant. you are making a similar leap in assumptions to the one which you are persecuting me for.

Good point, Bad Jump on my part.. however, Regardless of the assumption.. It was an uninformed criticism.. But Let us not be dumber for typing these arguments.. I can read it now.. (Oh Ho Lemonite.. We're already dumber for Entering this Thread.. Hahaha.. Jackasses).... I think Melon owes you a Medal of Congratulation, in your dismissal of Chuck.. without anything else, you have 'Argued like Limbaugh' as he loves to point out and reference us to.

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