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Old 07-18-2002, 04:10 AM   #211
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Brill post, Hi Bias. Nuff Respect.
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whenhiphopdrovethebigcars... do you type that in everytime you sign in?

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Hahah.. I guess I come from a Cheaper by the Dozen mentality.. Thank you whenhiphopdrovethebigcars for replying...

Just a question.. what was the motivation for using no caps in the screen name.. how are we supposed to pronounce this name as we read it.. is it one breath like teh popularized 'Algore', or do we put breaks in between the words.. I'm always fascinated by the names people choose.. It's quite a cool thing to me.. that people put thought into their name.. Mine was when I first came to this board.. I almost became a true interferencer.. With the smilies and all the other flighty shit that goes on.. I say Almost to that Bama.. Then I guess I was Carlinized and it was too late to remedy my somewhat femininininized screen name.

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House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt was billowing of arrogance today.. (More to come of that later).. about how the Democrats are going to win 40 seats in the house this coming election.. And the Dear old Rep. Traficant, when facing his verdict 'ceremony' was asked about Dick's comment this morning and he gave an eloquent yet factually brilliant reply. and to remind you he is a Democrat....

"If the Democrats win 40 seats and take over... God Save the Country."



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I remember yesterday or the day before talking with Like Someone to Blame about the economy.. and I made the comment that the liberals want nothing more than for the rising economy to tank along with the market.. so they can have some sort of issue to run on.. somethig to rally them together.. and It was blown off as 'Oh Lemonite, what the hell are you talking about the economy's already tanking (A direct contradiction to numbers reported by the government)'.. well, it was reported today that Dick Gephardt actually wants the economy to turn around and sink right with the market, and he as well as his liberal counterparts will 'Talk Down the Economy and Milk the Scandal for the Sake of Fucking the 'Little Guy' by Tanking the Market as much as they can" to have some sort of issue to run on this November...

Here's the article and a following editorial...

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July 18, 2002

Gephardt Eyes

Massive Gains Leader: Party Could Pick Up 40 House Seats

By Ethan Wallison



House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt (D-Mo.) has told senior Democrats that the party could pick up as many as 40 House seats if the continuously unfolding corporate scandals can be kept on the political radar screen until November, according to sources.
The figure far surpasses any that has been suggested previously - even privately - by Gephardt or any other top Democratic campaign official, all of whom have consistently indicated that the House will be won or lost by a slim margin.

"He said if this thing plays out right, we could pick up 30 to 40 seats," said one Democratic source who attended a recent meeting where Gephardt threw out the figures.

Gephardt's remarks, which were confirmed by a second source at the meeting, came on the heels of twin political developments that dovetailed with the unfolding scandals on Wall Street: revelations that the Securities and Exchange Commission was investigating accounting practices at Halliburton Co. when Vice President Cheney was at its helm; and re-emerging speculation about President Bush's stock trades as a board member at Harken Energy Co. more than a decade ago.

Neither new development - let alone the continuing revelations of questionable business activities in some of the country's top board rooms - has so far appeared to shift the political landscape on Capitol Hill.

But Gephardt's private remarks to colleagues would seem to underscore the political stakes Democrats see in an issue that is only beginning to set in among voters.

"As this unfolds day after day, I think there's a good chance the Republicans will be turned out [of power] and the Democrats will be given a chance to get at this cowboy mentality [in Corporate America]," said Rep. Max Sandlin (D-Texas), a chief deputy whip.

Asked whether he believes Democrats could do as well as Gephardt has suggested privately, Sandlin said, "I think there's certainly the possibility of [40 seats] as Corporate America unravels before our very eyes."

A similar outlook has taken hold across the Caucus. One top Democratic strategist, referring to only the latest accounting scandal on Wall Street, even went so far as to say, "I tell you [that if] you drop another WorldCom thing in September, the Republicans are really [screwed]."

Gephardt has certainly appeared confident that the issue of corporate ethics will ultimately play out to the Democrats' benefit.

Meeting with the top leadership Tuesday afternoon, Gephardt opened by advising Members to read a Paul Krugman column in that day's New York Times that accused President Bush of shady land dealings and cronyism in Texas. He also touted a similarly themed story in the New Yorker magazine.

"[Gephardt] said he thinks this is where the whole thing is headed," said one source who was in the room.

Republicans have suspected from the outset that Gephardt and the House Democrats would try to capitalize on the corporate scandals for political advantage - what White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer has called the "secret plan" to keep the issue alive through the elections.

Steve Schmidt, a spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee, accused Gephardt of saying that he wants to restore confidence to the markets, while at the same time sowing anxiety among investors and "cheerleading for the market to decline" in order to gain politically.

"He's trying to talk down the market," Schmidt said. "If he's saying [the Democrats could make major gains], he is basically saying, 'I want to exploit this politically. I don't want to solve this.' "

Rejecting those criticisms, Gephardt has repeatedly pointed to his calls for quick House action on a package of reforms, put forward by Senate Banking Committee Chairman Paul Sarbanes (D-Md.), which passed that chamber 97-0.

In fact, Gephardt has accused Republican leaders of foot-dragging on reform, presumably in the interest of placating GOP benefactors in corporate America. Speaking to reporters on Wednesday, Gephardt cited reports that suggested strong resistance to the Sarbanes measure among key Republicans, particularly House Financial Services Chairman Mike Oxley (R-Ohio).

"It's always the same with them," Gephardt said. "It's like [they're] trying to get something done, but really [the plan is to] slow it down and water it down. That's their goal, that's their game plan, that's their strategy."

Gephardt spokesman Erik Smith said he had never heard Gephardt privately suggest the party could ride the corporate scandals to a landslide this November. He also suggested that 40 seats would be an unlikely prediction, since Gephardt has said only 40 districts are in play this year.

"I don't think he believes we could win all 40," Smith said.

But Smith added that Gephardt does believe that the political climate is now "better that at any other point this cycle," in large part because of revelations of wrongdoing in corporate board rooms.

"He said we're in an environment where winning the House is becoming more and more of a reality," Smith said. "He's bullish."

The upcoming one-year anniversary of Sept. 11 and the ongoing debate over the creation of a Department of Homeland Security have presented significant political hurdles, however.

Even before the corporate scandals began to unfold in earnest, Gephardt was privately expressing concern that GOP leaders would try to stretch out debate over the new department in order to draw attention away from issues the Democrats would want to raise in the home stretch before the elections.

Indeed, Republican leaders initially suggested that planning for the new department would take until the end of the year. Gephardt responded by putting forward an ambitious timetable yoked to the anniversary of the terrorist attacks, in hopes that the issue would be off the table before the campaign enters its most intense phase in the fall.

The Sept. 11 time frame has essentially been adopted. But no one yet knows what will transpire once the basic blueprint for the department, put together by a special committee of top House lawmakers, comes up against conflicting plans from powerful committee chairmen and ranking members, who have their own ideas about what should comprise the new department.

Already, Gephardt has faced strong resistance to quick action from institutionalists in the Caucus, such as Appropriations Committee ranking member David Obey (D-Wis.), who are devotees of Congressional prerogative. In the Senate, Appropriations Committee Chairman Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) has threatened to filibuster the legislation.


EIB: Folks, you must, must, must read the Roll Call story about how House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt wants to worsen the market crisis, and talk down the economy. You must listen the audio link below to hear how Gephardt prays for more economic bad news so the Democratic Party can win in November. Roll Call reports that he thinks he could pick up as many as 40 House seats if these scandals "can be kept on the political radar screen until November."

They're going to make millions of Americans suffer, lose their jobs, and watch their life savings wither so Democrats can regain power over a nation they see as idiots, as I covered in Tuesday's inspired monologue Liberal Elitists Think America is a Mistake. All these wealthy liberals like Jon Corzine think they're entitled to rule.

But have you noticed that there's not a wealth tax? There's an income tax to keep people from becoming wealthy, but there's not a wealth tax. They love taxing people into average, middle class, or poor status so they'll come crying to Washington for help.

They're talking down the economy, which is up, and they're making a big deal out of these corporate scandals. Roll Call quotes another Democrat as hoping and praying for another WorldCom to hit in September!

This mad dash, with spineless Republicans on board, to pass the Sarbanes bill and other senseless legislation is going to end up doing more damage to the markets and economy than a bunch of crooked CEOs and accountants ever could. When Gephardt says he can pick up 30 or 40 seats, "if it plays out right," he means if everything gets worse. How rotten must your ideas be if that's the only way you can get elected?

Rep. Max Sandlin (D-TX) said, "I think there's a good chance the Republicans will be turned out of power and the Democrats will be given a chance to get at this cowboy mentality in corporate America." They can't wait for their chance to deliver a deathblow to capitalism and corporate America - and to set themselves up as leaders of a giant, government nanny state. They'll stop the motor that moves the world that hires people and makes jobs, all for political gain!

This has been the Democratic Party since FDR. They are getting so arrogant they don't mind allowing people to actually see in print that this is what they really hope, want and think. One top strategist for the Democrats told Roll Call, "If you drop another WorldCom thing in September the Republicans are really [screwed]." How do you drop another WorldCom? You make one up! You lie! You simply issue a charge, fax it to CNN and the New York Times, and it'll lead every broadcast for the next three days. That's how easy it is to work for the DNC.

Of course, it's also easy to work at the DNC Screw America Factory because the Republicans aren't defending themselves. They're jumping on the bandwagon so that they're not targets for Democrats in the election campaign; they should know by now that strategy never works! Gephardt knows it, which is why he cited a B.S. column in the New York Times by Paul Krugman that accused Bush of shady land dealings and cronyism in Texas. The total lack of evidence didn't matter.

The Democrats at this very moment are not working to improve the circumstances that have damaged your 401(k). Democrats want you miserable and dependent. Look at what they've done to the African-American population in this country.

And don't think that the Dems can't keep this issue alive if there's no truth to it. They convinced people that Republicans wanted to rip school lunches from kids' mouths when they actually increased funding by 6.5%., and blamed Republicans for a government shutdown orchestrated by Bill Clinton and the federal employees union. They lied away an entire decade of prosperity in the 80s - and they'll try to lie a bad economy into reality too.
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An interesting observation.. All this talk of 'Where's the Corporate Responsibility'.. This talk of this being a large issue in the upcoming election.. Yesterday.. Adelphia BigWigs Handcuffed.. Seen on TV being led into a cop car.. you know with the head push as they get in..

We would all expect the liberals to cheer, say 'This is Great News'..

What do we hear?.... Nothing.. Not a word..

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During the last couple of weeks we have been treated to an orgy of hand wringing on the subject of corporate corruption. We hear from Senators and Congressmen who have become overnight experts on accounting standards. Obviously when politicians talk this much about a subject it is because they believe there is political advantage. The Democrats have been trying in vain to turn the American people against President Bush but he has stubbornly held onto his popularity.

The latest attempt has been to blame Bush and Vice President Cheney for the latest reports of aggressive accounting gone badly. I have expressed my opinion on this subject. I have seen this behavior with my own eyes before George Bush (or Bill Clinton for that matter) became President. To some degree I am encouraged to see something that bothered me become recognized by others as a problem. However, nothing that I am seeing in this discussion gives me reason to believe we are moving in the right direction or that any changes that occur will be improvements.

The logic of the critics goes something like this. President Bush engaged in insider trading at Harken Energy 12 years ago and Vice President Cheney engaged in aggressive accounting at Halliburton in the late 1990s. As far as I know the President sold his stock in Harken Energy and failed to file one of his disclosures on a timely basis. The incident was investigated by the Securities and Exchange Commission without any finding of law breaking on the future President´s part. I have had enough experience with insider trading rules of publicly held companies to know that the rules are numerous and complicated. The failure to file a certain form is hardly a big deal if that is all that is involved.

At Halliburton, Mr. Cheney was the Chief Executive Officer. Under his reign the company was quite successful. When he left the company its stock was at a high point. That is not surprising since he left at the time he became a candidate for Vice President, in 2000, which was also the time of the high point for the stock market. Halliburton has suffered lately as a result of a lawsuit relating to asbestos. The lawsuit came as the result of an acquisition of a subsidiary that Mr. Cheney oversaw during his reign. In hindsight he can be accused of poor judgment. Poor judgment is not in and of itself a crime or a sign of corruption or of incompetence. In addition Halliburton apparently used some aggressive accounting in assuming it would be able to recover cost overruns in its government contracts.

As far as I know this is what Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney is being accused of. The strained logic of the critics is that Cheney´s and Bush´s lack of ethics as businessmen before they entered the White House are responsible for the actions of Enron, Global Crossing, WorldCom, and the others that also took place before the current President took office. If that is the extent of the actions of these two men this line of attack is total nonsense. It may turn out that they are guilty of something but at this point there is no real evidence of it.

While I am bothered by the fact that sleazy politicians are throwing mud at men who appear to be much more honest than their accusers, there is something much worse at play. There is an attack on private enterprise, on free markets, on limited government, and basically on freedom itself.

Let´s start with the issue of expensing options which has become all the rage. Companies often issue stock options as incentives to employees to work for the benefit of the company rather than their own narrow interests. Since the employees will benefit from the success of the company they should look to more than just their paychecks while working. Since this is part of the employee´s (or Director´s) compensation it is not illogical to view the issuance of options as an expense of operations. Certainly legendary investor Warren Buffet feels strongly that this is the case.

There is also an argument against this treatment since the issuance of stock options does not lower the amount of money available to other shareholders. It does increase the number of shares, which has the effect of diluting the ownership of other shareholders. What has not been mentioned during this discussion is that publicly traded companies must disclose, in their financial statements, the effect that a decision to expense the granting of options would have had on the financial statements. While most people don´t read footnote disclosures of financial statements, the information is there for anybody who wants it. The companies also have to factor unexercised options into calculating the number of shares used in calculating earnings per share. So while there are good arguments on both sides of this issue the current system is hardly a huge issue.

The bigger issue is whether this issue, or any accounting issue, should be decided by the political process. Do we really want the people who vote pay raises for themselves in the middle of the night, who set up their own Bank which they widely and consistently bounced checks on, who largely succeed by lying to set accounting standards? Does anyone look forward to the day when Hillary Clinton sets up accounting standards to favor whichever corporation is contributing most heavily to her campaign? We could easily envision the Senator from Michigan setting up standards to favor the auto industry while the Representatives from California quietly set standards in favor of the semiconductor industry.

There is also a very disturbing anti capitalist, anti free market vein developing and being promoted by political demagogues. Obviously a great deal of money has been lost by investors in the last couple of years. Politicians, of course, will not tell the public that investors had unreasonable expectations during the nineties. They will not remind them that stocks advanced at a rate that is not sustainable. Senators will not tell their voters that they should not have capitalized companies that had no earnings at billions of dollars. Whose fault is it that investors paid $60 per share for The Street.Com when it had no prospects of earning a profit?

The Democrats want anger focused on corporate management. Class envy is their old stand by. They offer themselves as the solution to protect the people from the greedy capitalists. There are already a ton of regulations regarding publicly traded companies. I have not been convinced that enforcement of existing laws would not be adequate. I don´t buy the argument that Clinton´s sleaziness was a model for corporate corruption but I do find it ironic that the folks who chose to not enforce the law regarding Clinton´s perjury think that draconian measures against corporate management including many new laws is the answer.

The likely result of such action is that good people will chose not to go into corporate management. This might please politicians who think government should be the answer to all problems. It will weaken business in general and lower our standard of living. As talented and ambitious people eschew business the ability of our economy to produce things for us will decline. The government can pass all the prescription drug bills in the world, but how many drugs can they invent and manufacture.

The anti business culture is also starting to take hold. When is the last time somebody spoke out loud about privatizing social security? It is still a no brainer as an idea. Any person who invested the money that is set aside for social security, even in the most conservative fixed income investments, would still have a much better retirement than those who rely on social security. Of course the demagogues will say that people might have been suckered into putting their social security money into dot com companies. The system of privatized social security would probably have to limit the choices people have in investing their money to broad based stock funds to the extent that people chose to put their retirement funds into stocks. People within five years of retirement age might have to be limited to fixed income investments. Even this would be more of a political choice than an economic one. Still the result has been that free market advocates have been silenced on what should be a core issue.

While we have daily headlines and crying about Enron and WorldCom we hear little about the fraud and waste in government that we take for granted. We take it for granted that politicians are dishonest and corrupt. We assume that billions of dollars are wasted in government. We throw more and more money into public schools and see worse results. Where is the call for long prison sentences and fines for school administrators who misuse taxpayer money? Where is the call for any accountability on their parts? Why is there not even more discussion of school vouchers as a means of allowing poor people to escape from the miserable public schools they are offered?

The core issue comes down to whether we believe in freedom or want to sacrifice our freedom for supposed security. Do we trust politicians more than we trust ourselves? If we rely on government to “fix the problem” we have now, we will pay for the solution for years. There is every reason to believe the market will fix the problem if allowed to do so. Virtually every publicly traded company that had Arthur Anderson as its auditor has fired them. While the government is prosecuting the company, and perhaps deservedly so (although I would still prefer only prosecuting the individuals who actually committed crimes) it is the market place that is demanding honest financial statements. Publicly traded companies know that having Arthur Anderson as their auditors will result in their financial statements lacking credibility.

Stock investors will demand honest and conservative financial reports. They will sell the stock of companies that are unable to convince the investing public that their results are reliable. While the SEC has a role in policing the system it is still the case that the less they do the better off we will all be. If the system is allowed to correct its own excesses it will do so in a relatively short period of time and we will have the prosperity that comes with real freedom. If government comes in as the savior we can look forward to repressive governance of business substandard economic growth, and a general diminution of our freedoms. I vote for freedom. I know that I am more capable of deciding what I need than politicians are; I know that I care more about myself than they do, and I know that I will do a better job than they will. I also believe that most people are in the same position as me. I trust myself and I trust my fellow citizens more than I trust the government.
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In his continuing endeavor to marginalize himself, Ex-Impeached president Bill Clinton has claimed fighting the AIDS epidemic is as important as Fighting Terrorism.

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"The fact remains that HIV, the disease which eventually leads to AIDS, is primarily spread through sexual contact, both heterosexual and homosexual, along with the sharing of needles used to inject intravenous drugs. In fact, a recent study by the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) noted that the spread of HIV through sharing needles pales in comparison with the risk of contracting the virus through sexual contact."

"Unfortunately, the methods of transmission are rarely highlighted in reports regarding AIDS. Instead, those who state the obvious are characterized as hatemongers and right-wing zealots. However, laying out the truth and educating individuals does far more to curtail the spread of AIDS than wearing ribbons, making quilts and marching in parades. These practically useless activities mostly only help those who participate to feel better about themselves. "

"Oftentimes AIDS activists claim that the disease does not discriminate when selecting its victims. This is simply not true. Individuals who are in monogamous sexual relationships and have not engaged in promiscuous sex, have little chance in ever contracting the disease. However, those who are in promiscuous sexual relationships, especially homosexual, have the potential to contact HIV through only one sexual contact with another individual. "
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Most Anticipated DVD Release???....

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I was in an AIDS Education Seminar today.. A panel of varied HIV + Individuals were rambling on how they wanted to be treated like they were before they had HIV, in regards to a Specific Setting which Isn't necessary to be divulged, one of them a Gay Man.. referred to himself as 'Homoniously Inclined'... Oh and one more thing.. Homosexuality is not genetic.

A Quote By Thomas Sowell On AIDS Education.. I think this Applies to the HIV+ Muppet Conversation that was held a while back...

"Does AIDS education actually educate people about AIDS -- or is it instead a way to propagandize in favor of accepting homosexuality and adopting the gay political agenda? If you said the latter, you are likely to be right more often than if you said the former." ..... Remember You Heard it Here First...

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War in Iraq?... Taking out Saddam? Now people are saying.. 'Well He's not Hurting anyone..' 'There hasn't been any Actions to provoke a War'.. Isn't this the tact we took with Bin Laden?.. Well.. Let's go ask Mr. Glick to see what he thinks
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Who is Kaizer Soze?.... He's the Cripple

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More US Blacks are axing for Reparations for Slavery.. In their attempt to Play the Victim off US Taxpayers Black and White..and American Indian.. Here's just a few snippets of the eloquence being expressed by the


"I want to go up to the closest white person and say, 'You can't understand this, it's a black thing,' and then slap him, just for my mental health," Charles Barron, a member of the New York City Council, told the crowd.

"Apologize White America," said a sign.

A few quotes from Louis Farrakhan.. A Man who said He would pray for Iraq in their upcoming confrontation with America that Iraq would Defeat America. Please Return to The toilet from where you came.

Black activist Louis Farrakhan told the crowd, "America owes the black people a lot for what they've endured."

"We need land for political independence, we need millions of acres," Farrakhan added. "We need payment for 310 years of slavery, of destruction of our minds and the robbery of our culture."

Well, you could have been left in Nigeria to Rot in the only nation where the 'Poor are getting Poorer', That's right.. the Poor in America are Actually Getting RICHER. Enjoy the next 60 years of Absolutely No progress in your cause Mr. Farrakhan.

Here's a few lines from a David Limbaugh piece....

"Have you ever considered what it would be like to be a black political conservative in modern America?"

"Just consider the mistreatment Justice Clarence Thomas, Why? Because they don't buy into the liberal template: the welfare state, affirmative action, multiculturalism, judicial activism, the public education monopoly and the rest. Unless you side with liberals on these issues, you are against blacks. " (Sound Familiar Fizzing?)

"Reverend Jesse Lee Peterson, of the Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny (B.O.N.D.) is one of the latest to come under fire for his opposition to proposals that blacks receive reparations for the slavery of their ancestors.

"He was not graciously received. Peterson was called by Members in the audience ignorant and accused of being 'the white man's boy.. specifically "If you've ever wondered what a self-hating black man who despises black culture and worships at the altar of whiteness looks like, take a gander at the Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson."

"Peterson's advocacy of self-reliance for all people, blacks included, is what strikes a cord among Americans. Yet Dyson would have us believe Peterson hates himself and other blacks because he wants what is best for them: that they escape the bonds of government dependency."

"Liberals purport to champion the dignity and independence of minorities, but when any of them tries to escape the tyrannical bonds of their credo, he is branded as ignorant, an Uncle Tom, self-hating or worse. It takes no small amount of courage for blacks in this culture to challenge establishment doctrine, and the price they pay is often heavy. But by doing so, they perform a great service to their race and humanity as a whole -- and they should be heartily applauded for it."

I'll apply this last part to any liberal.. but it's all in how you read it..


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Let us all say a prayer for Mr. Heston.. Moses in light of his recent diagnosis.

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lemonite what games are you going to? i got lucky and got purdue and michigan tix. i was at nd this weekend and saw them practice a little.
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August 30th. vs. Maryland.. The Return to Glory


Welcome back to the land of respect
2002 COLLEGE FOOTBALL PREVIEW: COMMENTARY

By DAVID HAUGH

Already Tyrone Willingham has restored a measure of the Notre Dame mystique, which had been on hiatus almost as long as Phil Donahue.

Already the dense fog has been replaced with an aura of elegance.

Already, infatuated Notre Dame fans do not think the smartest guy on campus is the physicist working overtime in the radiation lab or the lawyer on loan from Washington, but the guy coaching football.

Already the national media, "Nightline,'' "ESPN SportsCentury,'' The Boston Globe, the Washington Post, et al, has gone from pecking away like vultures to eating out of Notre Dame's hand again, like pigeons.

The program that was a national punchline nine months ago suddenly is being put to music.

There even has been the first indirect comparison of Willingham to Jesus Christ himself, in a recent interview with ESPN.com's Alan Grant, who played for Willingham at Stanford. "When those disciples were sitting in the boat and the sea was calm, they didn't need Jesus, did they?'' Willingham said, referencing the Bible book of Mark when asked about his first 100 days on the job. "But when the storm hit, that's when they needed leadership.''

Usually the first God-like reference for Notre Dame head coaches doesn't come until after he beats Michigan.

Suffice to say that the Irish football community hasn't embraced a Ty like this since the 10-10 Michigan State game in 1966.

How long will it last?

Good question, which might best be answered by bringing up another good question.

This question came back on Media Day. A fan disguised as a journalist (sorry if that's too general) brought up a play last season when USC scored with the Notre Dame defense still in the huddle.

The guy asked Willingham if the new coach could guarantee, in essence, if the right hand would know what the left hand was doing this year.

Willingham measured his response carefully before speaking. He already leads the country in pregnant pauses.

"To guarantee you things stretches my ability,'' Willingham answered. "I hope that wouldn't happen.''

But therein lies the answer to how long this lovefest will last.

Willingham doesn't have to guarantee 10 wins and a BCS berth (then people might wonder if he was really the smartest guy on campus) or a national title in three years. He doesn't have to guarantee 30 points or 200 yards rushing a game. He doesn't have to guarantee he will make people laugh at the Friday luncheons or cry at the pep rallies.

He doesn't have to guarantee anything tangible, really, that would stretch Willingham's ability, in his words.

But he must guarantee improvement. Period.

Improvement from last season's underachievement cannot be negotiable. Chances are it will be like fine art.

Hard to describe, but you will know it when you see it.

You may not necessarily know it from the scoreboard or the won-loss record.

You will know it from the way the offense gets in and out of huddles. The way the defensive backs break on the ball. The way receivers run their patterns with a precision reserved for the color guard. The way the Irish compete.

Lou Holtz went 5-6 in 1986 and he had few seasons that offered as much optimism to Notre Dame fans who noted differences beyond the bottom line.

Thus, despite popular opinion, there will not be another season in which Willingham feels less pressure than his first in South Bend.

There probably was more pressure on Willingham when he replaced Bill Walsh at Stanford in 1995, his first head coaching job, than now.

Now excitement exceeds expectations, so he should enjoy every waking second. One never knows how quickly it could go downhill after the honeymoon.

But the thought here is that Notre Dame AD Kevin White isn't going to wake up one day this season or next and discover that Coach Willingham squeezes the toothpaste tube in the middle. This marriage makes as much sense as the first few blissful months suggest.

George O'Leary may have been straight out of Central Casting but Ty Willingham isn't an actor; and the way he represents the ideals of the university without pretense or compromise has made Notre Dame football worth staring at again.

Whether it's more than a passing glance for many, of course, will depend on how often the Irish win. That's human nature. There remain those who will always evaluate improvement by wins and losses.

Thing is, Willingham has no reason not to improve Notre Dame's win total as well as its overall organization.

Ironic that Willingham inherits a team from Bob Davie, the man hired to fix the attrition problem, with a thread-bare depth chart. This team cannot afford injuries at quarterback or cornerback especially, and wide receiver and running back aren't exactly overloaded with able bodies.

But, if healthy, Notre Dame has enough good players to overmatch every team on its schedule other than Michigan, Michigan State, Florida State and USC. This isn't a bad team. It's a team that learned to accept losing last season, a team that lost its swagger at the first sniff of adversity. The problems were more above the shoulders than below.

Of the six losses last season, three of them -- Michigan State, Boston College and Stanford -- could have been averted had the Irish kept their composure. Had they been better assembled.

But with no obvious system to guide them they often looked lost and directionless. You might say at times Notre Dame was like a BMW traveling in the dark with one headlight.

There's a different driver this year, and despite Davie's strengths as a recruiter and defensive strategist, the outlook is much brighter largely because of that change.

Notre Dame has the players. Put this team in Stanford uniforms and it compares well to top teams in the Pac-10. In the Big Ten, the Irish have upper-tier material, especially among its younger players.

Notre Dame's problem lately has been that it looks better on paper than on Saturday.

Willingham had a few teams like that at Stanford where, everybody should be reminded, he did go 5-6 twice and 3-8 once.

His first Notre Dame team looks capable of going 7-5 and playing in the first Continental Tire Bowl in Charlotte, near Willingham's hometown of Jacksonville, N.C.

Willingham just might enjoy ending this historic season close to home around the holidays.

By then, expect Notre Dame football to be back in familiar territory, too, in the land of respect.
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