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Old 07-15-2002, 05:19 PM   #16
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And where is your fourth cat right now?
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I hate humans. I find them to be utterly repellant, for the most part. Animals, on the other hand, tend to be more innocent and pure.
Exactly.
Although the vast majority of animal lovers ALSO love people. GOOD people, that is...
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Old 07-15-2002, 11:17 PM   #18
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this thread seems quite silly, pets/animals have been part of civilization since the beginning of recorded history

they bring companionship and comfort to millions of people worldwide, yes it's unfortunate their are orphans in the world, but just because someone can take care of a pet doesn't mean they could substitute another human being in that pet's place
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Old 07-16-2002, 04:43 AM   #19
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I looooove my kitty, :) Cats in general make me melt.

I don't really buy it though when some people say that animals are more noble or "better" than humans; thery're just less complex creatures, that's all. Being good is about making moral choices, and I don't believe that animals do that.
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animals, humans, what's the difference?
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Old 07-16-2002, 05:45 AM   #21
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Ok Acrobat is back again..Heard a lot of praises of animals ..Howmany of you animal (dog/cat/whatever) lovers dont actually eat some another animal as your food at some point or another... Think over that .... And if you do eat meat, how do you love animals.. I think I am probably making no sense now ...
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Ok Acrobat is back again..Heard a lot of praises of animals ..Howmany of you animal (dog/cat/whatever) lovers dont actually eat some another animal as your food at some point or another... Think over that .... And if you do eat meat, how do you love animals.. I think I am probably making no sense now ...
You're making plenty of sense
I'm vegetarian so I can't really answer the question, but I would guess people who keep pets but still eat meat would rationalise it by saying that they know their pets individually, but they didn't know the animals they eat, they don't have to watch them while they're alive, or see them being slaughtered, so it doesn't feel wrong to eat them.
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Old 07-16-2002, 06:42 AM   #23
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<shrug> I guess when I see a steak on my plate it just doesn't make me think of an actual living animal. It's just a piece of meat. Even the whole smoked chicken doesn't make me think of live chickens with feathers and all. Even if I saw the same animal while it was alive, it just feels like a totally separate object, with no association to the living thing, even though I can make the link intellectually.

And it's a question of cultural conditioning, of course, with people being brought up to think of some animals as only pets and others as food. In some cultures it's perfectly normal to eat dogs, while in others most people would probably have a lot of emotional problems with this idea.
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Its a man eat man world

Humans eat meat as part of a balanced diet, animals eat other animals for their diet. It's just nature- I dont see the problem really except I think the way we kill the animals isn't humane from time to time if we cause them pain- I dont agree with hurting an animal!
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They shoulld kill all cats without a neckless. All those cats that run wild are a real danger to the native fauna. Esp. in Australia.

Maybe castration of male cats would help dissolve the problem,...
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Ok Acrobat is back again..Heard a lot of praises of animals ..Howmany of you animal (dog/cat/whatever) lovers dont actually eat some another animal as your food at some point or another... Think over that .... And if you do eat meat, how do you love animals.. I think I am probably making no sense now ...

This is ridiculous

I grew up in small town newfoundland where it is tradition to "live off the land". And I have hunted in the past. But at the same time my father taught me a love and respect for nature and I love it like its my home.

Nothing makes me more at peace then going in the woods and just relaxing, watching squirrels scurry about, and birds chirp, and fish jump. I LOVE it all and I have a termendous respect for it.

I also have 2 dogs back home and I love them to death(figuratively speaking). They are always happy to see me, they are loyal and loving and they give me peace and comfort when I'm having shitty days. My dogs are my friends.

And I'll have to fuck off implying my whole family and my grandfathers and their fathers somehow don't love nature and animals just because they've hunted.
I have more love for animals and nature then most people I've met who have never killed an animal for food. Its nature....animals kill animals.

Look at indians. I don't think you have as dense a native indian population as us here in Canada but I think most people realise that they almost worship nature...they hold it in very high regard and they love all animals. Yet they've always speared animals as well.

Never have I heard such an ignorant implication as the one you just made.
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Ok Acrobat is back again..Heard a lot of praises of animals ..Howmany of you animal (dog/cat/whatever) lovers dont actually eat some another animal as your food at some point or another... Think over that .... And if you do eat meat, how do you love animals.. I think I am probably making no sense now ...
this makes sense, but i don't think it's a very good argument. to keep the circle of life going, animals (including humans) have to die every day. it sucks, yes, but if animals didn't die for whatever reason, the world would be overpopulated. however, i do NOT agree with killing animals for sport. not to get off topic in a debate about hunting, i don't like people who kill a deer for a trophy. i do however, think it's great that someone out in the boonies kills a deer to feed his family. regardless of whether or not the people could afford to buy meat from a store (like the famous pro-hunting people) isn't really fair.

anyway, to get back on topic, i don't think vegetarianism and pet loving are really that similar. vegetarians are that way because they either think it's a better way of living, or because their doctor made them do it for health reasons. however, an animal lover gets a dog or cat or whatever because they want the company, are bored and need something to do (like care after an animal), or love animals. at the very least, look at it this way: all pets eat meat. when i feed my cats every morning, their cat food and cat treats has meat in it. when my grandmother feeds her dog, he gets leftovers from dinner (it's sweet, when we go out to eat everyone has to leave some of their food for him), dog bones, and dog food, all containing meat. the only animals off the top of my head, petwise, who don't eat meat are birds and rodents (mice, rats, hamsters, gerbils, etc.). i could be wrong with that, but for the most part, all animals eat meat. i don't see how eating meat means you don't like animals.
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I am a vegetarian and an pet lover, BUT I don't think that it's morally wrong to kill or eat animals for food as long as its done humanely. What I do think is morally wrong is the mass farming and harvesting of meat to provide for today's massive world population. I believe that switching to meatless or much less meat-filled diet is the best way to efficiently manage our resources while at the same time providing more food for more people.

Our habitual consumption of meat today is devastating our planet.

I also think that killing animals for sport when other sources of food are avaliable is also wrong. But someone taking the occasional one to provide for the family is not.

The main difference that I see between us and those hunters from the past is population. Our numbers make it impossible to continue the ancient practice of eating meat for much longer because we can't maintain the balance with the land that our forefathers had due to their much smaller numbers.

Does that seem sensible?
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The main difference that I see between us and those hunters from the past is population. Our numbers make it impossible to continue the ancient practice of eating meat for much longer because we can't maintain the balance with the land that our forefathers had due to their much smaller numbers.
Actually, in America several equine species were wiped out completely by the natives some 13,000 years before the Spanish came and brought the horses with them. So much for the balance with the land.

And I've read in the recent TIME article that more animals are killed during the harvesting of fields than there are animals killed for their meat.
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