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Old 12-15-2005, 10:30 PM   #16
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woody guthrie...what a bastard.
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Old 12-15-2005, 10:51 PM   #17
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woody guthrie...what a bastard.
Yeah, really. "This land is your land, this land is my land." It's all a bunch of Communist propaganda.
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Old 12-15-2005, 11:10 PM   #18
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In the original version of "This Land is Your Land" Guthrie protested class inequality with the verse,

In the squares of the city, In the shadow of a steeple;
By the relief office, I'd seen my people.
As they stood there hungry, I stood there asking,
Is this land made for you and me.

and protested the institution of private ownership of land with the verse,

As I went walking, I saw a sign there;
And on the sign there, It said, 'NO TRESPASSING.'
But on the other side, It didn't say nothing.
That side was made for you and me.

In another version, the sign reads "Private Property."
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(Though it was Johnson, a Democrat, who escalated Vietnam so go figure.)
if not, he probably would have been assassinated :speculate:
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Interesting, no?

Now another question arises: were the Native Indians communists? Frankly, I don´t think so. The idea that man can not privately own land is not limited to communism.
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So what? I'm not sure if you are aware of this since you are not American but Woody Guthrie is considered by many here to be a great folk hero and the song mentioned is right up there with the national anthem in terms of patriotic songs in many people's eyes. I'm not willing to dismiss such a song or such a man as a dirty commie no matter what his personal politics may have been.
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So what? I'm not sure if you are aware of this since you are not American but Woody Guthrie is considered by many here to be a great folk hero and the song mentioned is right up there with the national anthem in terms of patriotic songs in many people's eyes. I'm not willing to dismiss such a song or such a man as a dirty commie no matter what his personal politics may have been.
Um, you weren´t talking to me, or were you?
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Interesting, no?

Now another question arises: were the Native Indians communists? Frankly, I don´t think so. The idea that man can not privately own land is not limited to communism.
Yes, especially because their tribal laws actually define community ownership rather well, but differently than in the classical Communist sense.
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Um, you weren´t talking to me, or were you?
Haha! Sorry, no, I was talking to the wandering one. Good point there, Hiphop.
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Yes, especially because their tribal laws actually define community ownership rather well, but differently than in the classical Communist sense.
Yes, and regarding land.. it was created by Manitu, so it can not belong to men.
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Yes, I think that it should be noted that until Hitler declared war on the USSR that many communist sympathisers were active in campaigning against involvement, Woodie Guthrie and the Almanac Singers for instance are a great example.
Well some did, others did not agree with that approach for example within the British Communists Party.
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Hitler, Abe, Churchill? What the hell people? Why are people so desperate to cling to a side of politics in the past, or even the present?

Calling oneself right or left is so wasteful.
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Hitler, Abe, Churchill? What the hell people? Why are people so desperate to cling to a side of politics in the past, or even the present?

Calling oneself right or left is so wasteful.
given your posts in the past, that's hilarious!!!
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"Reflecting upon the whole of the story, I am glad not to be responsible for the way in which Hess has been and is being treated. Whatever may be the moral guilt of a German who stood near to Hitler, Hess had, in my view, atoned for this by his completely devoted and frantic deed of lunatic benevolence. He came to us of his own free will, and, though without authority, had something of the quality of an envoy. He was a medical and not a criminal case, and should be so regarded." - Winston Churchill, 1950, on the imprisonment of Hitler's deputy, Rudolf Hess--who remained imprisoned in the UK until his death in 1987.

It looks like Churchill had a soft spot for them even after the war.

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I am not sure that shows he had a soft spot for Nazis. This is a pretty weak statement to support such an idea.
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