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Old 10-10-2004, 10:15 AM   #1
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People are so shallow these days...

I'm tired of how everyone looks so closely at how the presidental candidates act and look. How thry talk means NOTHING. How they look means NOTHING!! The fact the Bush slurs words and Kerry is boring means nothing nothing NOTHING!! Why do people look at this insignificant crap? It has no affect on how well they'll lead, and that's all that matters isn't it? Yes it is.

Heck, Moses had a speach impediment, and I'd call him one of the greatest leaders of all time!!!
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I think it is unfair to compare Bush to Moses.

He followers see him more as the Second Coming.
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Old 10-10-2004, 10:35 AM   #3
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Because how you carry yourself -- i.e. do you look presidential? -- helps people decide if you would act presidential when you need to. You don't want a president who cuts off a moderator and starts getting angry when someone questions your policies. And you don't want a guy who can't handle himself in front of cameras on a national stage. It should matter even though the ideas themselves are more important.
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i heard some ppl. say they wanted to vote for edwards b/c he was cute...(that was back when he was a pres. candidate instead of VP candidate)
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It IS silly. I've heard people say they'd vote for bush because he's better looking than Kerry. But I do agree with sharky. If someone looks/acts more presidential in a campaign, we can only hope they act presidential when the time comes for them to do so.
Just because John Edwards is cute doesn't mean that's the only reason I like him. I've admired him since I first heard about the case with the pool drain, and especially after his victory in the senate. It has nothing to do with his looks.
But yes, when people vote for superficial reasons it's very disturbing.
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It's not just these days, this has been going on since the dawn of politics.

It's not just Bush slurring words, the guy comes off as a complete idiot sometimes. He's just not a bright man. I watched the last debate and was embarrassed this man was the president of my country.

A great leader has to be able to do it all.
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Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar

I watched the last debate and was embarrassed this man was the president of my country.

I am very glad i do not share your same feelings. I could not be more proud to have Bush as our president. But that's the great thing about a democracy in that we can have our opinions
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But that's the great thing about a democracy in that we can have our opinions
This is true.
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I watched the last debate and was embarrassed this man was the president of my country.
Me too, i wanted to crawl under a chair.

But Spooner is right, at least we can have differing opinions in this country without worrying about being silenced.
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It's a trend I like to call the "Dumbing Down Of America."
Bush just reinforces the dumbness across the nation wear superficiality
is the norm.
We have pop groups and singers with
absolutely no talent, but they sure look
good.
So why can't this apply to presidents?
It does sadly. Bush is a brainless twit,
but he sure does look good to some.
If Abraham Lincoln was running for president, he wouldn't stand a chance
now. Unless they gave him drastic make
over.
With Bush at the helm, the ship of the US
is heading for the rocks. Who cares?
Rise for the flag salute........
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Remember, though, that this has been going on for a long time. In 1960, the people who watched the presidential debate on TV thought Kennedy won. Nixon was sweaty and pasty, Kennedy looked in control and smooth.
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robert was better looking than john.

i would have loved to have seen robert take on nixon in '68 but noooooooooooooo sirhan sirhan just HAD to kill him, didn't he?


of course i wasn't around in '68 but y'all know what i mean.
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Is Bush an idiot or is he just a rich spoiled brat who spent his entire life profoundly incurious about the world outside his front door?

As for image, it plays some role, and always has.
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anitram, i saw a road sign with that name today and i was like "hey! that's that person from interference!"

but i digress.
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Re: People are so shallow these days...

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I'm tired of how everyone looks so closely at how the presidental candidates act and look. How thry talk means NOTHING. How they look means NOTHING!! The fact the Bush slurs words and Kerry is boring means nothing nothing NOTHING!! Why do people look at this insignificant crap? It has no affect on how well they'll lead, and that's all that matters isn't it? Yes it is.

Heck, Moses had a speach impediment, and I'd call him one of the greatest leaders of all time!!!
How they talk does mean a great deal. I don't criticise Bush for slurring his words, but I do criticise him for the following: consistanly using the wrong word; consistantly incorrect grammer; and consistantly mangling the language. A few (and just a few) Bushisms:

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"Like you, I have been disgraced about what I've seen on TV that took place in prison." —George W. Bush, Parkersburg, West Virginia, May 13, 2004

"The enemy understands a free Iraq will be a major defeat in their ideology of hatred. That's why they're fighting so vociferously." —George W. Bush, presidential debate, Coral Gables, Fla., Sept. 30, 2004

"This has been tough weeks in that country." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 13, 2004

"Justice was being delivered to a man who defied that gift from the Almighty to the people of Iraq." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 15, 2003

"This very week in 1989, there were protests in East Berlin and in Leipzig. By the end of that year, every communist dictatorship in Central America had collapsed." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Nov. 6, 2003

We had a chance to visit with Teresa Nelson who's a parent, and a mom or a dad." —George W. Bush, Jacksonville, Florida, Sept. 9, 2003

"I think war is a dangerous place." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 7, 2003

"We ended the rule of one of history's worst tyrants, and in so doing, we not only freed the American people, we made our own people more secure." —George W. Bush, Crawford, Texas, May 3, 2003

"[The Space Shuttle] Columbia carried in its payroll classroom experiments from some of our students in America." —George W. Bush, Bethesda, Md., Feb. 3, 2003

"And, most importantly, Alma Powell, secretary of Colin Powell, is with us." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 30, 2003

"The war on terror involves Saddam Hussein because of the nature of Saddam Hussein, the history of Saddam Hussein, and his willingness to terrorize himself." —George W. Bush, Grand Rapids, Mich., Jan. 29, 2003

"My trip to Asia begins here in Japan for an important reason. It begins here because for a century and a half now, America and Japan have formed one of the great and enduring alliances of modern times. From that alliance has come an era of peace in the Pacific." —George W. Bush, who apparently forgot about a little something called World War II, Tokyo, Feb. 18, 2002

"Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country." —George W. Bush, Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004
Well, at least he's accurate in the quote that follows!

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"I hope you leave here and walk out and say, 'What did he say?'" —George W. Bush, Beaverton, Oregon, Aug. 13, 2004
For more Bushisms go here. You have to scroll down to the "More Bushisms from the debates" link on the page. But then it sends you to a whole host of Bushisms for your reading pleasure.

* edited to correct link
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