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Old 01-25-2003, 10:12 PM   #46
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As gabrielvox said, "Peace IS the answer, its getting everyone sold on that concept that is the hard part."
And who's peace is the answer. Capitalism? Communism?Christian? Islam? Hindu? Etc.?

I doubt you will find anyone chanting "Down with Peace!"

You will never get everyone to agree with what "peace" is.
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Old 01-25-2003, 10:26 PM   #47
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Everyone, everywhere will have a different definition of what "PEACE" is. Most however agree with what Elvis has said"Hate is NOT peace". I think that until we can find that common ground with all peoples, we will continue to see blood being shed on foregin lands and in homelands.
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Old 01-26-2003, 12:05 AM   #48
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Humans have reflexes, such as breathing and muscle contractions when we touch something hot, etc. But everything else is learned.
Okay, wait. Your Anthro professor teaches a radically different concept of behavior than did the professor from whom I took an anthro class 5 years ago at UCLA. Either that, or I totally misunderstood my professor -- or I'm totally misunderstanding your professor.

My professor instilled in us that all behavior is a product of both nature and nurture. "Instincts" are the same thing as "nature," are they not? I'm honestly curious about what you learned.


Edit: It's also possible that one or both of our professors were wrong.
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Okay, wait. Your Anthro professor teaches a radically different concept of behavior than did the professor from whom I took an anthro class 5 years ago at UCLA. Either that, or I totally misunderstood my professor -- or I'm totally misunderstanding your professor.

My professor instilled in us that all behavior is a product of both nature and nurture. "Instincts" are the same thing as "nature," are they not? I'm honestly curious about what you learned.


Edit: It's also possible that one or both of our professors were wrong.
First, I should say that the class that I took was a Cultural Anthropology class which focused mainly on the development and structure of human societies. This class is different from a regular anthropology class which would tend to focus on human evolution and such. Now that that's done, on to the other stuff!

According to the text that we used (Bates and Fratkin, Cultural Anthropology, 2003) and my particular professor, "nature" is simply the genes you are born with. This determines your physical and, to some extent, emotional indispositions. It takes the "nurture" (the environment in which you live) to express those characteristics. So, for example, some genes may be expressed in a certain in environment which may not be expressed in another. So, yes, behavior is a product of both nature and nurture. What I was trying to show in my previous post was that humans do not have "instincts," that is, programmed behavior to act a certain way in a certain situation. Women are not programmed to be mothers, that is a learned behavior. However, women are born with the capacity to become mothers. In the same manner, all men are capable of becoming the biological parent of a child, but that does not mean they automatically are born with the capability to be what our society calls a "father."

So to answer your question: Instincts are not nature. Those things we are taught to refer to as instincts are really reflexes. Our genes cannot tell us how to mother or father or take care of ourselves. Our genes can give us the ability to be able to do those things, but it is the behavior we learn from the moment we leave the womb that teaches us how to do the things necessary for life. And what we learn is determined by our culture.

Okay, now that we've completely hijacked this thread... if people don't mind this discussion continuing here... we can keep it here. Or I'd be happy to discuss this via PM or IM or email

I still believe peace is possible!
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So all that was to show that our behaviors are learned. So if we teach peace and demonstrate peace, our children will grow up with that idea. Humans do not have an instinct to fight, though our society claims that we do. It is simply a matter of learning, and when we don't teach fighting, or we choose to unlearn fighting (as I have tried to do), then we can be successful as peaceful peoples.


Very well said.

but.. lets keep this thread on course... no hijacking.. its not peaceful
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Very well said.

but.. lets keep this thread on course... no hijacking.. its not peaceful
thank you

and I promise to stay on the subject when I come in here
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At the moment, I am more comfortable with GWB's conception of peace than with Saddam Hussein's.
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Sure, leave it to speedracer to blow that thread up.
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Anyone wanna discuss the peace thread?

That's part of my journal where we can discuss any of the ideas I've presented if you have anymore questions about them
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lol you should have heard my anthropology teacher trying to convice my class last semester that humans don't have instincts. But technically we don't. We aren't born with anything in us that says "as a mother, when my child is in trouble, I must protect it". That reaction in us is learned. We learn how to be mothers. P.S. Thanks for the compliment, it means a lot
You're welcome.

But I still don't buy it. Survival is an instinct. Sex and sleep are instincts. We're created with them in order to stay alive. There is precedent for this in nature, too.

See ya round, Hippy!

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I know what I will have to say doesnt have much substance or anything cus I never post in these parts but anyway

I am all in favour of Peace I dont understand how one person who was created equally like everyone else holds so much power, Americans are pawns to George Bush he will send them away from their families to fight in a war, would he fight in a war? I doubt it. I just dont see how he or anyone else could justify a war with Iraq where innocent lives will be lost. Power is a very dangerous thing imo and how a very few amount of people can effectively have so much control over our lives is pretty scary

Maybe that made no sense but
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Here's a thought: If the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, can there still be peace?
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You're welcome.

But I still don't buy it. Survival is an instinct. Sex and sleep are instincts. We're created with them in order to stay alive. There is precedent for this in nature, too.

See ya round, Hippy!

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Actually... survival in humans is not an instinct - its taught. Sleep is something that happens, no matter if you try to or not. Also.. from what I've read/heard ... sex with humans is not an instinct either, it's something we choose to do, and also do for pleasure.
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Here's a thought: If the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, can there still be peace?
In the long run... I think personal wealth will have to be eliminated, or limited....
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