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Old 04-19-2007, 01:02 AM   #61
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Ban abortion for every instance except for health concerns, and that's it. Anything else would be to straddle the fence.
Abortion will never be banned in the US because it's contrary to the interests of the right wing to do so. They would lose their bread and butter issue - it will never happen.

It would also never happen because the citizens of any state that favoured a complete ban would wake up and smell the coffee really quickly if such a ban had a good chance of becoming a reality. You know, sort of like those loose leftist folks up in South Dakota did.
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Abortion will never be banned in the US because it's contrary to the interests of the right wing to do so. They would lose their bread and butter issue - it will never happen.

It would also never happen because the citizens of any state that favoured a complete ban would wake up and smell the coffee really quickly if such a ban had a good chance of becoming a reality. You know, sort of like those loose leftist folks up in South Dakota did.
Oh, I agree, it's not going anywhere. Even I admit that a complete ban would be ridiculous.

One interesting thing that came out of this ruling today was that it no longer seems taboo to separate different parts of (or ways of going about practicing) one subject and ban those parts rather than remove the entirety of the subject in question. This is smart; life isn't all black and white.
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I don't want to argue about this. This thread was made so we could discuss the consequences of this ruling, NOT the morality of abortion. There are other threads for that.
Just wanted to underline this request especially since it comes from the thread starter.
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So, if your wife was carrying an anencephalic baby who would either die before or during birth (VERY likely), or less than a week after, you'd rather have your wife risk her life giving birth to a baby that has no brain?
The man gets to make the choice. The men posting here have made that clear.
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Some generalisations are more accepted than others.
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Some generalisations are more accepted than others.
True.

But look at the gender and attitudes of the posters in this thread, and any other thread on abortion.
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Look at the background of those against and there does seem to be a stronger correlation to religiousity (or at least one that places this as a sanctity of life issue) than gender.
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Look at the background of those against and there does seem to be a stronger correlation to religiousity (or at least one that places this as a sanctity of life issue) than gender.
Religiousity only affects me as far as whether or not I personally would have an abortion (no). The medical decisions that I make as an individual are just that, my own individual decisions, be them based on religion, ethics, practicality, whatever. Regardless of how I feel about abortion, I can't advocate in favor of a government deciding my medical decisions for me. It's not even about abortion at this level, IMO, because you have to consider the precedent this sets. Banning abortions = the government making a medical decision for an individual.
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Quite right, I think we need venn diagrams for this
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True.

But look at the gender and attitudes of the posters in this thread, and any other thread on abortion.
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Not all of them, thank God.
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Look at the background of those against and there does seem to be a stronger correlation to religiousity (or at least one that places this as a sanctity of life issue) than gender.
They're still mostly guys.
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Not all of them, thank God.
That's a relieve.

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Look i know we have to tread carefully here, and not say cold hard truths and all that - and im fine with that really. Everyone had differing opinions, including religious people who have differing opinions but the main fact is, no government can tell you to do/not do something they have no right over - My body my choice, end of story.
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Abortion will never be banned in the US because it's contrary to the interests of the right wing to do so. They would lose their bread and butter issue - it will never happen.


this is quite right, and the ruling is an excellent example of the right-wing strategy. they will continue to chip away at the options a woman has available without ever repealing Roe v. Wade -- they can show incremental process, many battles in a very long war, and retain the Darth Vader they so badly need to rally the troops.
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