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Old 04-18-2007, 06:56 PM   #31
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Justin, you've read it's 0.17 per cent of all abortions that are taking place at that stage, and that more or less every of these abortions takes place for serious medical reasons.

No, it's not like shooting someone with a rifle, or killing another person woth anything else.

These are reasons that are much more important, and far away from murder.

It was said again and again, and there in no God involved, and there is no murder involved.

This discussion is soo drowned out, and you bring up the same wrong comparison again and again.
What do you expect? That, all of a sudden, the answer changes?

It's sickening. These women make one of their hardest choices they will probably ever make in life, and they have to deal with this ordeal.
And then there are people equating them to a murderer.
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I read that it's 0.17% but I am talking about Abortions in General. If it's such a difficult thing to do, then why not give the baby up for adoption instead of adding to the 45,000,000 aborted fetuses.

I though Humans were intelligent and could figure out ways to stem this sort of thing?? I guess I was wrong. Because in a recent study. Chimpaneez are far smarter than human beings, so I think we should lower ourselfs to Animals and not humans anymore.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...an-humans.html

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It is time to stop thinking we are the pinnacle of evolutionary success – chimpanzees are the more highly evolved species, according to new research.

Evolutionary geneticist Jianzhi Zhang and colleagues at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, US, compared DNA sequences for 13,888 genes shared by human, chimp and rhesus macaques.

For each DNA letter at which the human or chimp genes differ from our shared ancestral form – inferred from the corresponding gene in macaques – researchers noted whether the change led to an altered protein. Genes that have been transformed by natural selection show an unusually high proportion of mutations leading to altered proteins.

Zhang's team found that 233 chimp genes, compared with only 154 human ones, have been changed by selection since chimps and humans split from their common ancestor about 6 million years ago.

This contradicts what most evolutionary biologists had assumed. "We tend to see the differences between us and our common ancestor more easily than the differences between chimps and the common ancestor," observes Zhang.

The result makes sense, he says, because until relatively recently the human population has been smaller than that of chimps, leaving us more vulnerable to random fluctuations in gene frequencies. This prevents natural selection from having as strong an effect overall.

Now that the macaque genome has been sequenced, biologists will be able to learn more about the differences between the apes.

Human Evolution - Follow the incredible story in our comprehensive special report.

Journal reference: Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (DOI: 10.1073/pnas.0701705104)
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So you're offtopic, because this is about late-term abortions.
You should indicate it before you ask these questions.

Anyways, look up older threads, same questions, same answers.
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Any abortion is wrong period. It's essentionaly Murder with out being prosecuted and being put in jail.
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Justin, just once try and stay on topic?

Chimps? WTF?
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Well if you read my entire wording you would see how it fits into what I am talking about.
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Maybe it's my ADD/Dyslexic mind that may confuse all of you????
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Rather your oversimplifying of the world.
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Justin, that article is about how chimps have evolved more than humans. Not that they are 'smarter'. The changes their species have gone through are more extensive, or evolved, than ours. That is all.

And Justin, do you want someone to break up the legal distinctions between all types of causes of death? I really don't follow where you blur the edges any more than you understand why there's distinctions in some places and not others.
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That is a term invented by the religious right in order to do exactly what it's done to you - have an emotional reaction. It means a late-term abortion, but if they can call it partial-birth, well that's just a lot more evocative - who cares if it's a mischaracterization.
So unlike the Left, which uses only medically recognized terms like "choice", "reproductive freedom" and "back-alley abortion" in their rhetoric.

From the 2003 Partial Birth Abortion Act:
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the term 'partial-birth abortion' means an abortion in which --

(A) the person performing the abortion deliberately and intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until, in the case of a head-first presentation, the entire fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother for the purpose of performing an overt act that the person knows will kill the partially delivered living fetus; and

(B) performs the overt act, other than completion of delivery, that kills the partially delivered living fetus
There is no need to be more graphic, only to say that partial birth abortion is, sadly, a very accurate description of a gruesome procedure that's neither morally or medically justified.

Today's decision is some good news in an otherwise terribly sad week.
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a very accurate description of a gruesome procedure that's neither morally or medically justified.
Where did you do your residency?


Afganistan?
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Maybe it's my ADD/Dyslexic mind that may confuse all of you????
Gee, ya think?
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So unlike the Left, which uses only medically recognized terms like "choice", "reproductive freedom" and "back-alley abortion" in their rhetoric.

From the 2003 Partial Birth Abortion Act:


There is no need to be more graphic, only to say that partial birth abortion is, sadly, a very accurate description of a gruesome procedure that's neither morally or medically justified.

Today's decision is some good news in an otherwise terribly sad week.
I agree w Indy.
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I agree w Indy.
Then God forbid your precious, beautiful daughters ever needs to have one.
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I wonder which 2008 Presidential candidate will benefit most from the public backlash against today's ruling...

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