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Old 04-23-2007, 07:20 PM   #166
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but it is still a sin

and sins have consequences
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but it is still a sin

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and that baby's gonna make that non-virgin pay for the rest of her life.
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because that's what children are for. to punish women.
Especially if they're boy children.
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but it is still a sin

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Like not being able to adopt the babies that need to be born with no brains and die within three days of birth because some men decided that it was more important that the women carry these babaies to term and risk their lives than abort them.
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INDY, the HRC jokes are so off base it's silly. she's as centrist as they come.

Are we talkin' about the same Hillary Clinton? The one who:

has the endorsement of N.O.W for president.

scores 100% on NARAL's pro-choice voting scale.

voted against the 2003 partial-birth abortion bill.

as first lady approved of her husband's vetoing of earlier partial-birth abortion bills.

as first lady headed the Task Force on National Health Care Reform. Which eventually came up with a plan so thick with mandates and bureaucracy that even the Democratically controlled Congress wouldn't touch it.
HillaryCare.

What political prism do you have to look through to see Hillary Rodham Clinton as a centrist on abortion or on universal healthcare?
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Do I hear crickets?
Yes, Buddy Holly & the Crickets singing:

"Maybe, baby,
I'll have you."
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Yes, Buddy Holly & the Crickets singing:

"Maybe, baby,
I'll have you."
But I sure don't hear you answering the real questions Irvine asked. Your focus on Hilary is a great way to avoid the issue.
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What political prism do you have to look through to see Hillary Rodham Clinton as a centrist on abortion or on universal healthcare?


firstly, i see pro-choice and wanting to work towards universal health care as centrist positions.

you made her out to be a socialist. and if you looked at Hillary's recent speeches on abortion -- where she calles them a "sad, even tragic choice" -- as a very distinct departure from the mantra one typically associates with NOW or NARAL.

but make your arguments about Hillary and not on the circumstances that create unwanted pregnancies or the reasons why women often turn to abortion.
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but it is still a sin

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which brings us to the real question: would you abort a gay baby?

commit a sin, but only to prevent further sin.
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but make your arguments about Hillary and not on the circumstances that create unwanted pregnancies or the reasons why women often turn to abortion.
It's been interesting, but I'll end where I started. Answering a question put to me.
Only 1 in 5 women -- women -- believe partial-birth abortion should be legal. So maybe this isn't a women's rights issue after all.

Maybe this is just the right, the sensible, thing to do.
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It's been interesting, but I'll end where I started.
Wow. You're "ending" without addressing major questions. That's really very interesting. It is indeed all about control with you then?
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which brings us to the real question: would you abort a gay baby?

commit a sin, but only to prevent further sin.
is it a sin to be gay?

it is only a sin to have sex outside of hetero marriage

people who are not married
are not entitled to have intimate relations

it is that simple
just don't sin (period)
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the gay baby would attend bible camp.
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It's been interesting, but I'll end where I started. Answering a question put to me.
Only 1 in 5 women -- women -- believe partial-birth abortion should be legal. So maybe this isn't a women's rights issue after all.

Maybe this is just the right, the sensible, thing to do.


and what do those women think when you attach phrases like "for the life and health of the mother?"

it really doesn't matter what polls say, either. what matters is that women should have the right to choose. as i've stated, and as most pro-choice people believe, abortion should be legal during the first trimester, and then it gets quite dicey after that. however, there are many legitimate medical reasons for keeping late term abortion legal.

and so it should remain.

as the gun thread keeps telling us, making something illegal won't stop it.

what *will* stop it is the removal of such conditions that lead to it.
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the gay baby would attend bible camp.


with all the other gay babies!



hot hook ups at Bible camp!
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