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Old 04-23-2007, 03:49 PM   #151
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i'm still waiting for the pro-lifers to come out and endorse the following:

1. gay adoption
2. comprehensive sex education
3. universal health care
4. free neo-natal care
5. free day care
6. job assistance/education/training for mothers and fathers
7. mandatory availability of maternity and paternity leave
8. financial assistance to mothers (aka, welfare)

so when all these conditions are met, maybe then we can start to discuss what it means to be pro-life and not just pro-birth.

(i also want to know why God aborts a large number of zygotes -- it seems that the female womb is a far more dangerous environment for these cellular children than any on earth)
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:51 PM   #152
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Here's some popcorn, it will be a loooooooonnnnnngggg wait...
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FYI - The New England Journal of Medicine published a couple of commentaries on the matter today - neither one of them too supportive of this ruling:

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/NEJMp078055

"But the greatest uncertainty of all concerns the continued viability of any right to abortion in all but imminently life-threatening situations. The federal statute makes no distinction between pre-viability and post-viability abortions and bans the D&X procedure in both situations, even in cases in which physicians believe that the alternatives are more dangerous to a woman's health. The prospect that a woman's health might be endangered by limiting access to D&X procedures is deemed insufficient to qualify as an "undue burden." Justice Kennedy's majority opinion in Gonzales v. Carhart endorses this conclusion, stating that it is "legitimate" because "a fetus is a living organism within the womb, whether or not it is viable outside the womb" and that "choosing not to prohibit [a brutal and inhumane procedure] will further coarsen society to the humanity of not only newborns, but all vulnerable and innocent human life, making it increasingly difficult to protect such life."
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FYI - The New England Journal of Medicine published a couple of commentaries on the matter today - neither one of them too supportive of this ruling:

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/NEJMp078055

even in cases in which physicians believe that the alternatives are more dangerous to a woman's health.
I think this says it all. Pro-choice people have been warning about this attitude for years.

It's not about the woman. It's about the baby; the woman is a vessel. That's all.
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Babies won't have the the backs of their heads cut open and their brains sucked out. What is there not to be happy about? Partial birth abortion is savage murder and any time I hear someone defend it I become very angry.
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Babies won't have the the backs of their heads cut open and their brains sucked out. What is there not to be happy about? Partial birth abortion is savage murder and any time I hear someone defend it I become very angry.


and why do you think someone would have a late-term abortion?
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i'm still waiting for the pro-lifers to come out and endorse the following:

1. gay adoption
2. comprehensive sex education
3. universal health care
4. free neo-natal care
5. free day care
6. job assistance/education/training for mothers and fathers
7. mandatory availability of maternity and paternity leave
8. financial assistance to mothers (aka, welfare)

so when all these conditions are met, maybe then we can start to discuss what it means to be pro-life and not just pro-birth.

(i also want to know why God aborts a large number of zygotes -- it seems that the female womb is a far more dangerous environment for these cellular children than any on earth)
So let me get this straight. The choice is either:
1) unrestricted abortion up and until the moment of birth, or
2) a cradle to the grave welfare state
3) or, if you're Hillary Rodham Clinton, both

Have I got that straight?
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i'm still waiting for the pro-lifers to come out and endorse the following:

1. gay adoption
2. comprehensive sex education
3. universal health care
4. free neo-natal care
5. free day care
6. job assistance/education/training for mothers and fathers
7. mandatory availability of maternity and paternity leave
8. financial assistance to mothers (aka, welfare)

so when all these conditions are met, maybe then we can start to discuss what it means to be pro-life and not just pro-birth.

(i also want to know why God aborts a large number of zygotes -- it seems that the female womb is a far more dangerous environment for these cellular children than any on earth)
No deal, I will give you abortion though.
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So let me get this straight. The choice is either:
1) unrestricted abortion up and until the moment of birth, or
2) a cradle to the grave welfare state
3) or, if you're Hillary Rodham Clinton, both

Have I got that straight?
You have problems seeing gray don't you?
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So let me get this straight. The choice is either:
1) unrestricted abortion up and until the moment of birth, or
2) a cradle to the grave welfare state
3) or, if you're Hillary Rodham Clinton, both

Have I got that straight?


INDY, the HRC jokes are so off base it's silly. she's as centrist as they come.

anyway, yes, those are the choices. if you're going to force a woman to become a Vessel Of Life and remove her right to determine when she does and does not become pregnant, if you are going to remove her ability to control her own body, then the only responsible thing to do -- since you don't want any neglected children, do you? *that* certainly isn't very pro-life -- is to give her the tools she is going to need in order to be the Vessel of which you speak.

what is irresponsible is to force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term, then kick her out on the street.

unless, of course, you think that babies are a punishment.
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so ... agian, do we have any pro-lifer who's going to take my challenge?

i'll even let you get off the hook with just demanding universal health care and comprehensive sex education and free contraception.
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i'll even let you get off the hook with just demanding universal health care and comprehensive sex education and free contraception.
Do I hear crickets?
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Do I hear crickets?


i guess the little sluts get what they deserve -- a screaming, crying, pooping headache for th next 18 years.

because that's what children are for. to punish women.
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let's be honest

sex within hetero marriage is a blessing -
a gift from God


sex outside of that
is a sin (period)

and sin has consequences.

that is why abstinence is the only thing that needs to be taught (period)
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and in addition to abstinence, remember kids, gay sex has never ended in an abortion.
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